(And never on a paid relay of any sort)
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I suspect they're sneaking in through the clients building the threads. Need blacklist some relays as outboxes, I think.
For some reason the same handful of people are always telling me my relays are broken or full of spam when they have never been. Please send me IDs if you have a real concern - don’t just spread nonsense.
Of course we take spam seriously and of course we limit who can post replies to nostr.wine
Our pricing model has been quite successful and we continue to be the largest and most reliable paid relay on nostr 🍷
Why are you telling me, that? I wasn't the one complaining.
I’m replying to both of you in a thread filled with inaccuracies.
do you actually do any discussions on this protocol to have experience using it?
because i sure as fuck don't see you very often talking about anything, literally only a few more times than we have had direct discussions with each other
so get off your high horse, for the sake of the mission
if you are managing to pay your bills with your enterprise, that is great, but here in relay and actual business dev land, it's a desert
The fact that large, paid relays will eventually suffer from spam bots is a business observation. The bots are getting zapped money and they can afford the subscription with that, and it's getting increasingly difficult them with patterns, as they're getting increasingly humanoid.
Not really. The reason they are challenging to block on free relays is they can create infinite pubkeys. On nostr.wine each one they create is 18,888 sats. What good is that if everyone mutes you after day 1 of spamming?
Filter.nostr.wine addressed this with our Purgatory data pipeline (quite successfully) since it reads from free relays and does not have the same advantage as nostr.wine.
i see, and where do you spend your time on the internet because it's not nostr, obviously, just look at your profile feed, it's not exactly busy, was a week before you popped up
also, how did you even pick up on the discussion, to come and complain about how "always" blah blah blah?
you got quite a few cards close to your chest there "brother"
i don't keep secrets from my "brothers"
your harsh words have no meaning without the backstory supporting them
You tagged him. 😂
and he happened to be using nostr after a week of silence? look at his profile
I’m always watching 👀
Some of us prefer to read :)
I don't know. He runs a relay. He's one of 20 people who know how to use Nostr. 😂
I could auto-run a filter for my own name, and our product name, and send myself a DM. That would be smart. Ooohh. Good idea. 🤔
yeah, which is pretty strange behaviour isn't it
and it's probably an email, too
I read nostr everyday and you tagged me - but you (or anyone else) can keep an eye on https://api.nostr.wine/search?query=nostr.wine if you’re interested 🤣
LOL new it.
Nah. Good marketing. Always jump in. Even if they are complaining, unfairly, it gives your brand visibility and your engaging makes the thread longer and pushes it onto trending. Haters are also activity, after all. Every time you complain about Nostrwine, it increases the name recognition of his product.
Even complaints are not really a problem, so long as they're not really terrible things. All news is good news.
And honestly it’s the opposite for me. I don’t respond because I think it’s good for the name recognition. I respond because it’s frustrating to have people spread falsehoods about your product(s). It leads to more user confusion and more time wasted answering questions.
yeah, i'm not engaging any further, i think i got the picture now
Yeah, but I'm thinking of bots like nostr:npub1kr7awgum9cye8umu9s3smcwj0n3vl87pgt2r62egunmc5phsll2q25jfaf
Humans probably can't tell that's a bot or some bot/human mix, but it's already collected over 6k sats and has lots of high WoT followers.
I see more and more stuff like that.
And then I get scammers who seem totally normal in the feeds and then slide into DMs. Now that DMs are increasingly wrapped and stuff, a relay operator will struggle to pick up on suspicious behavior.
I'm wondering how to solve for that, myself, as I also have a paid relay.
Am I a bot? But you are paranoid 😂😂
There will always be accounts that blur lines of automation/real. It’s up to users to decide if they value that content not me. Aggressive repetitive spam is what concerns me.
DM spam is harder to “see” but easy to address as an operator. You could rate limit DMs for new sign ups and only slowly increase those limits as time passes without reports.
Yeah. I worry that it's bad for our business model, but I guess Buyer Beware.
I'm amazed at how few people notice that obvious automation.
most people can't tell when text is written by AI
mostly because most people are illiterate, thanks to the Department of Education in every country, we are old farts from the days when education used to mean something
Hi mazin 🏴☠️🤟😉 nice to meet you 🤝
Monetary cost is a strong deterrent, but social cost being universally muted seals the deal. Purgatory sounds like a solid approach to keeping the noise down. How’s the effectiveness looking over time? 🤷♂️
it may well be that very little of such material is landing in nostr.wine but the whole mess of client and protocol nonsense and hostility towards PAID SERVICES like yours makes it very hard to know what is what, it's a fog of war
i think this is the second time, it's not "always" that i have broached this issue and you know very well that there is a psychology in the bulk of especially client dev on nostr that is making this problem continue without resolution
i dunno if you are actually paying attention to what i have done other than the one previous time we had a discussion but i've built a proper HTTP API https://mleku.realy.lol/api
and my mission is to make real practical, cashflow positive businesses that are not just about kind 1 events, stuff that actually leads to people having employment in this industry, and, indeed, making it into an industry instead of a circus as it currently is
so you can take a grain of salt with your assertions about that 2 out of 2 instances that i said something "mean" about you and your work, because we actually are on the same side, but the bullshit kinda makes it hard to know who is really the problem, doesn't it?
Brother - there is either spam on the relay or not. If there is provide me with some IDs, if not stop saying there is. The rest is a separate discussion.
i see, well, you definitely earned my unsubscription
you seem to want to tar me with a brush that i didn't earn, and idk whatever shit is going on in your life or how nostr is working out for you, but thanks for your generosity, i'm out
I have a business outside of nostr. So does Katie. We are obviously not living off nostr.wine. We are donating our time and will likely never recoup anything near what we’ve already invested.