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Ethnic distinctions, cultural peoples, and homelands are not erased in God’s plan.

Revelation 7:9 envisions a diverse multitude from “every nation, tribe, people, and language” worshiping God.

Creating a universal human and a universal land and a universal government is the objective of Satan.

#ToChristAlone

This is such a bizarre take I don’t know where to start.

It is literally the opposite.

Ask any Hawaiian, Native American (north or south) or African.

Ask them what?

Whether their culture or ethnicity was in any way at all respected by the Christian missionaries who went to ‘save’ them.

(Unless you are referring only to the spiritual sense of Christ, and not to the reality on the ground of what conversion actually looked like, which I agree is different)

Native Americans were savages, constantly at war with eachother, who practiced ritual sacrifice and slavery. It's a very good thing they were defeated.

I'm unaware of Hawaiians story but prized lands tend to be taken by modern forces and that is an old story.

Africans practice slavery still, have always, and no amount of Western influence has inspired those peoples to raise themselves up. Still, monetary colonialism via Fiat is a scourge that probably prevents any such upwards mobility and will be destroyed by #Bitcoin, granting these peoples a better chance as self determination.

The Crusades was good.

Africans have an avg iq of 75

And?

Also, the IQ tests were designed by Westerners with a Westernized world-view, Westernized education and incorporate Westernized cognitive models.

If you have ever traveled, you will know that different peoples in different parts of the world have very very different ways of processing information and life.

Also, IQ tests usually largely ignore emotional and social intelligence, which are both valid and necessary for a holistically healthy society and quality of life, and are both greatly lacking in Western societies as a whole (yes, a big generalization, just making the point that IQ as we know it is no good standard of any kind).

You can cope with facts however you’d like, but Africa is still essentially mud huts and beautiful cities turn to dust as soon a white people leave.

Everywhere blacks are the majority population turns into a dangerous and disgusting shithole.

IQ is real, and that “different processing of information” is simply different levels of IQ manifest.

“Cope” lol.

Have you ever been there? If so, you will have met some of the the kindest, most welcoming and creative people on earth.

Denying the devastating effects of colonialism is denying reality, regardless of how you frame it. Ignoring the different worldviews people elsewhere have, and expecting them to fit into a Western mold and way of life that you might think is superior

only highlights your ethnocentrism.

I am not denying IQ is *one measure* of *some types* of intelligence. Are you claiming it is the *only* type that matters?

And that it trumps all else?

Some of the most ‘high IQ’ people have committed the most brutal acts against others.

Yeah, it’s all white peoples fault that you can’t maintain infrastructure

⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ that’s called cope buddy

I never said that lol

Yes, you did:

“Denying the devastating effects of colonialism is denying reality.”

Colonialism brought you civilization. The overwhelmingly vast majority of your people can not sustain it or even understand it.

And if you consider any city in the US as being “beautiful” or “maintained”, then I’m not sure of the last time you were in one

You’re right.

Guess what American cities are mostly made of…. Africans 🤣🤣🤣

Ok lol now you are getting delusional. Have a great day.

Here are the top 10 most dangerous cities in America and their black (African) populations, funny how the less black the city is the less dangerous it becomes.

Rojo 5mo ago

Inconvenient truths.

Lol no, convenient lies.

The generalization and lack of nuance in these statements astonishes me. I have seen you make equally broad statements before so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

The crusades were not good.

And if Jesus would have thought they were good then He was not who you think He was.

Native Americans were not “savages” any more than Europeans were. Both sometimes committed savage acts.

The European wars and conflicts during the 15-1900s were often far more brutal and widespread than any Native American wars.

Ritual sacrifice was practiced in Europe at times in history, and the witch-burning (burning of wise women herbalists and midwives) was its own form of insanely misguided ritual sacrifice.

Would Jesus have supported this or the uncountable other brutal acts committed in his name during the crusades?

Hawaiians had been united through war under King Kamehameha and were largely living peacefully and with relatively very little conflict (even if you as a pure Christian would not approve of all of their ways, but is that not the point you were making at the very beginning of this thread, that creation itself has brought forth, different cultures and ethnicities?). Between the whalers, the missionaries, the sandalwood cutters (decimating the forests) and the plantation owners (decimating and poisoning everything else), the overall genocide wiped out 80% of the population. Is that what Jesus would have wanted?

While Africans may have been slave traders already, once the Europeans arrived the trade exploded. As my Mama always said, “Two wrongs don’t make a right”. I somehow doubt Jesus would have disagreed with her on that.

While war seems inevitable for an unevolved species such as ours, it doesn’t mean we must continue condoning or supporting it.

And using power over others, whether physical, emotional or mental only shows a lack of respect for the sovereignty of the other. Of course, when someone is being threatened or hurt, then protective use of force is necessary, but I am referring above to unprovoked use of power-over.

Jesus himself is said to have said:

"Do to others as you would have them do to you." (Luke 6:31)

"For all who take the sword will perish by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)

To this day I fail to comprehend how Christians can support violence in Jesus’ name.

What church do you go to?

Irrelevant question. How about answer my questions?

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It's you.

Lol ok, now how about answer my questions?

Virtus 5mo ago

What do you mean by these cultures being "respected" by the missionaries?

Racial identity is of no importance IMO. Accordingly, there’s no need to get rid of it — be whatever race/ethnicity you are as unapologetically as you like, but it doesn’t matter. Your character and your choices matter.

I believe in reincarnation and assume I have been many races/ethnicities over millennia, this one is just the one I’m manifesting now.

(It also kills the argument for reparations because the slave owner might now be black, and the slave some rich white guy in their present incarnations. There is no requirement you reincarnate as the same race over and over again, so this is just temporary.)

I think Christianity is overwhelmingly a force for good in this world, despite the evils sometimes done in its name, but that’s just one view, one set of concepts and beliefs. There is no monopoly on Truth.

You may not see the value in defending and persisting your ethnic heritage and the culture of your forefathers, but you are in the minority.

As a Christian I don't believe in paganisms like reincarnation and I think Zen Buddhism has rekt a lot of new age people in the West.

There is no real argument for reparations. Overt slavery was the norm for all of history and only in recent times, since Great Britain and America outlawed it, that we now enjoy the current period of relative freedom which is totally singular and unique in the story of mankind.

Christ is truth and has a monopoly over it.

I hope I’m in the minority because the majority of people are idiots who do whatever their tribe tells them to the point of injecting themselves and their children with pharmaceutical conglomerate poison.

Why would I blindly defend the culture of my forefathers, right or wrong? I am an individual, not a member of a collective. I will defend the culture of free speech and civil liberties of the US because I believe they are essential to human prosperity, not due to the accident of being American. A child inherits his values, but an adult must choose them.

I understand you believe Christ has a monopoly over truth, but you could very well be wrong, as you are just a man, and man is fallible.

"I am an individual, not a member of a collective."

You are both.

Your family is a collective.

Your ancestors are a collective.

Your nation is a collective.

A man who belongs to no groups whatsoever is utterly and terribly lost.

Empty words. Humans are a collective. Fish are a collective. Any plural noun denoting living creatures is a collective.

Animals act according to instincts and the behavior of the herd. An individual chooses to have a family, to be part of a culture, to take on responsibilities, not because his ancestors did it, not because his peers are doing it, not because it’s expected of him, but because he values it.

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Enjoy the Camp of Saints, you earned it!

You got me, man. Out here advocating for mass illegal immigration per Satan’s plan! No chance I just have a simple disagreement re the importance of race and ethnicity and put my emphasis on choice at the individual level. Straw man is much softer than the steel man.

“Fish” are not a collective because different types of fish will eat each other. That’s the part you’re missing here.

People with shared culture and biological history can form high-trust societies, but import foreigners and make your country a “melting pot” and you’ll have big social problems.

Deny that all you want but other people don’t play using your rules, and will not forgive you for having made a poor model of the world.

I think there is a core confusion and overreaction which has plagued the right or late. Illegal immigration is bad. Mass illegal immigration is worse. Unvetted mass illegal immigration of people who don’t share your values and don’t respect your country is the nut low.

I think the evidence for that is clear. But here’s where they overreact and lose the plot.

America is a country of immigrants. It’s the most prosperous country in the history of the world. People of disparate ancestry creating untold wealth for society, despite the parasites, corruption, etc. How is this possible?

Because the foundational axioms of the US (the constitution, rule of law, private property, etc.) were the best. You didn’t have India’s caste system, Europe’s strict class divisions, or the communist regimes. You had a system where the individual who applied himself could thrive (with notable exceptions.)

The solution to one’s country losing its core axioms upon which its prosperity depends is only to let in those who are willing to adopt them. You don’t need to worry about racial makeup or quotas, just values. You need to vet people, make the process simple bureaucratically but arduous in terms of demonstrating fitness. No vetting system is perfect, but a strong one will ensure the people who arrive believe in American values. Free speech, private property, civil liberties, etc.

If your religion or culture is antithetical to these things, and you are insistent upon it, that’s fine, but you’re not entitled to live in America. There’s no need to adopt the identity politics of the left. It’s just merit based and voluntarily.

I agree with all of this, in theory. In practice, a lot of the success of America was driven by a strong culture of shared Christian values and a free and capitalist economy. We are losing both of those, and that is a huge problem for our country.

Democracy and our founding principles are amazing tools in a world with some level of baseline social cohesion. They do not work in every situation.

It seems like we agree on way more than we disagree. If you acknowledge that immigration currently is an issue, then we are on the same page.

We can dream of a vetting process based on values, ran by great people who want the best for us, but while we dream about that we will become a minority in our own homelands.

The “overreaction” is our culture and races immune system. It’s not always justified, but it certainly is something to be thoughtful about.

Yeah, I can understand the reaction, but you don’t want to make a leftist solution to a leftist problem. Group-identity is a communist ideal. Rugged individualism based on Western values, many of which did come from Christianity, is the culture I would choose. Dissent from everything and everyone, carve your own path, don’t do things because other people think you should.

You may choose that culture in thought, but I guarantee you don’t currently live in it. That’s why people like me react the way that we do.

The real world has been becoming a commie welfare state filled with subsidized immigration, nihilism, anti-Christian values, corruption, sexual perversion, and white guilt. And that is a big problem which didn’t happen organically and will need to be addressed.

I agree with this.

Based. Carry on King.

Kevin Alfred Strom 5mo ago

It's also true that Christianity is more a Jewish idea than a European one. Once you understand that, you will understand why racial egalitarianism was subtly implanted into Judaism Lite for Gentiles.