As someone newer to faith in Jesus, this note is so helpful. I haven’t understood why some are so adamant that America must protect Israel. The whole thing has so felt so bizarre and I knew literally nothing about Israel before the October attack.

Theology lesson on Nostr. Yes please.

Nailed it!

The only thing I might have worded differently is when you said "Christianity, Christ's church, succeeds and becomes Israel." The church is, was, and always has been the Israel of God. It did not take over that role from the Jews.

True Israel has always been those who are the believing remnant.

As we passed from the Covenant of Grace prior to the incarnation of Jesus Christ to that same Covenant of Grace after his ascension, the people of that covenant didn't shift from the Jews to the Gentiles; it expanded. Before it had been almost exclusively, with some notable exceptions such as Ruth, for believing Jews. It expanded to be believing Jews and Gentiles. It's just that the declaration of Jesus as the long awaited Messiah quickly acted as a litmus test of who the true believers among the Jews really were, and showed that the vast majority were not, because they rejected him.

The Church did not "become" or "replace" Israel. It is the rightful continuation and expansion of the covenant people of God, true Israel.

Respect

This is the most based note of all time. Well put, sir

This morning I read in John 15:6 that Jesus says everyone who doesn't abide in him is a faggot

The big big Big problem here is that there is a lot of interpretation, following, repeating and mouth talking without people actually reading the word of God in the Bible.

Unless people are directly quoting Scripture the talk is nonsense. At least with Scripture there can be a point of discussion otherwise it's just Babylon.

Bookmarking for future study. Thanks for posting 🫡

As early as 1905, just before Christian Zionism successfully brainwashed American Christianity, maps of the Holy Land referred to it accurately as Palestine.

Israel is not the post WWII nationstate Christians have been deceived into worshipping; Israel is Christendom.

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Jaws are those who rejected Christ and by doing so also rejected their Christian roots. Christ's church was called Israel and it has nothing to do with the barbaric "state" holding deceptivly the same name. To become a member of Israel you become Christian and it does not matter what is your race, ethnic origin or where you live. It is as simple as that.

Wait wait wait, the word of God was manipulated by the hands of men to achieve political ends? If that’s true, than how do we know it’s not happening with the version of the word any of us choose to believe in.

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My philosophy is this: do I believe Israel (the modern state) has a right to exist? Sure. Do I think they should be allowed to do whatever want? No. Do I think their current government is anywhere near righteous? Absolutely not. Do I believe that Jews are behind everything? Not really; a few secular Jewish elite do not mean all Jews are responsible. Do I believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father? 100% non-negotiable. Do I believe that God is working through His Kingdom? For sure. Do I believe He also works His will through people outside of the faith? Certainly, because His sovereign will supersedes all.

In other words, I'm not anti-Israel (referring to the modern state) but I'm also not a dispensationalist who allies with them in everything. There's a nuance to be had but sadly, many fall into the "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality.

Thank you for sharing. I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Any chance you could point me in a direction to study up on this?

While it’s easy to find scripture passages that appear to support ANY given theology, logically, all it takes is one contradictory passage to falsify an interpretation. Dispensationalism fails badly here, but this is also where the strict versions of Covenant theology will run into difficulty — ultimately the Bible does affirm ethnic Israel as well as the gentiles grafted on, and a prophetic mass conversion of the ethnic Israel at the end times.

There’s also Christ making the old covenant obsolete (Hebrews 8:13), and not just fulfilled— which can be a challenge to both dispensationalism and strict versions of covenant theology, especially the subdivisions of legalistic covenants (Noahide, Abrahamic, etc)

All told, dispensationalism should be in the trash bin, especially as its fruit has become known. And strict legalistic versions of covenant theology will run its own risks. The old covenant points to Christ, not just partially but completely.

the goal is always Christ (the way, the truth, and the life), where we often find a “both-and” solution to these kind of dilemmas, which is reflected in early church fathers on this topic.

That said, the early church fathers did not mince words about the Jews, who lost the authority granted to them by God (the binding/loosing that Christ gave to the apostles), and that Jews had partially hardened hearts (God giving them over to their own sins).

See Chrysostom’s “Against the Jews” to get a sense of how Christians traditionally approached this subject — ethnic Jews are to be loved and the patriarchs and prophets honored, but Jews were seen as obstinate, blind to truth, and their synagogues filled with demons. And it is this group they believed will be saved in a mass conversion event at the end times.