Nostr Web Client

proof of work;

https://blossom.primal.net/7d8bfbe52216219013562cabe64776517cffbe91a6f6c6ff495a3d10fff6fcd2.mp4

🚨 only for reckless testers, this is not a release!

help me find a reasonable proof of work limit by testing out this build of bitchat with proof of work for spam prevention (the same way bitcoin prevents spam btw).

https://limewire.com/d/2ZYzQ#sZPuofd9nr

- download and install

- go into a geohash chat

- write something, see semicolon guy

- turn on proof of work, notice the difficulty slider

- write a few messages

- increase difficulty, write a few messages

📝 report: device, max difficulty

at what difficulty does it take your phone more than a few seconds to send a message? which device are you using? which operating system?

comment below so I can gather some data. appreciate you 🫡

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Discussion

calle 4mo ago

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🟠 isolabellart 4mo ago

For me it already works perfectly without semicolon spam.

Android 14 on Motorola Edge 30

7fqx 4mo ago

I personally think that that pow slider would be perfect as permanently on the top of the screen

crrdlx 4mo ago

Long live "reckless testers"

TamtamBam 4mo ago

What's the <@spam-tester> making an appearance?

8 bits seems to cool the semicolons on Pixel 7pro, android V16

Happy₿ear🇮🇱 4mo ago

How to go into geohash region? Can't write in there more than 'ge'

Ryan 4mo ago

Pixel 8 pro

Up to 15 bits is very fast. 16 gives a slight delay. 17 up is a noticeable delay.

calle 4mo ago

can you sample some more data? my pixel 9 seems slower

Ryan 4mo ago

Does the length of message affect the time taken?

Ryan 4mo ago

I occasionally get longer times at 15, but it's usually pretty quick. 16 or above is always a noticeable wait. 14 seems to always be quick.

Sync 4mo ago

Limewire is still a thing 😮

. 4mo ago

Not seeing the pow option in 1.2.2 from that link graphene pixe6a

calle 4mo ago

Install again

Happy₿ear🇮🇱 4mo ago

S25 15bits=1.5 sec

n 4mo ago

Android v15 arrows we2

Semicolons became invisible in pow1.

On my device, posting with pow20 or higher takes several dozen seconds.

Gustavo 4mo ago

The end goal is to have relays verify the POW too, right?

Parasail 4mo ago

I would say it is working great

Satoshi Coffee Co. 4mo ago

Haven't seen ;;;; guy yet, but I feel like the maximum for a manageable time to send for UX was around 15-16 bits.

Pixel 8 on calyx (soon to be graphene🤝)

Shawn 4mo ago

TIL Limewire still exists.

TKay 4mo ago

I was looking for this comment.

Parasail 4mo ago

16 is treshold I would say too. 13 works very well

DagzTagz 4mo ago

Hell yes nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccppemhxue69uhhjctzw5hx6ef0qyt8wumn8ghj76rfwd6zumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtc2mtflh

PoW will always be the way to combat spam 🤘🏼

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vinney...axkl 4mo ago

12 feels easy and cozy, not much differet than the ui state changes you'd expect from a 'sending' action. 15 takes a couple seconds but i don't mind if i've chosen it and i know why.

pixel 7, grapheneOS

pepon 4mo ago

Cubot KingKong ES, difficult 13 almost instant, 14 normal, in 16 the time it's a lot for conversations

armstrys 4mo ago 💬 1

Geohash appears grayed out. What am I doing wrong??

roadvampire🇪🇺 4mo ago

Maybe Location permissions

armstrys 4mo ago 💬 1

Hmmm. It acts like they are enabled. There is a green teleport button but it doesn't do anything

roadvampire🇪🇺 4mo ago

What geo are you trying?

armstrys 4mo ago

Thanks. I just didn't know what I was going. No one even in my region right now so it was a bit confusing

armstrys 4mo ago

Okay I still wasn't getting it at all. I see now that the teleport button only works if you type in a new geohash. I was totally misunderstanding

xiangcai 4mo ago

this is fucking awesome

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x 4mo ago

Consensus seems to be 13 bits

Erik Jan 4mo ago

Samsung S24 (SM-S921B/DS) Android 15, 16 bits = 5-7 seconds. 15 bits = 2-4 seconds. 14 bits 0-5 seconds.

Just sent messages, not seeing semicolon guys atm.

strawhat 4mo ago

On limewire? Bruhh back in the day, every download on limewire came with a free viruses

Alisa 4mo ago

I saw that and was like...nah bruhhh

calle 4mo ago

It's a signed apk 🤘

This is Andy 4mo ago

Similar results on message length sending time to other S25 reports. However, I'm not getting human responses on 9q anymore and it occasionally displays an old section of chat out of chronological order.

ismyhc 4mo ago

Yeah I think the big question is. What delay when sending a message is acceptable for UX. I don’t have an Android so I can’t test it on bitchat, but will work on implementing this in coolr. My guess is that a second or so would be fine. Especially if there some animated visual that indicates something is happening. It’s also worth people to understand yoyll probably only see others messages that are using the same threshold or lower since I assume the client is blocking any messages that are not meeting your set threshold.

bitcoinranger 4mo ago

I can't see anyone's messages and online users on graphene. Chatting with myself 😁

bitcoinranger 4mo ago

Okay, found the issue: I overwrote the obttanum version. Now after uninstalling it worked

bitcoinranger 4mo ago

On the reckless apk the active user count isn't fatching and the app is asking to turn on Bluetooth every other minute. 16 bits seems like is Gucci to go with

7fqx 4mo ago

I wonder if nostr:nprofile1qqsg73x9vycmxcnx3v8qr05vwxey0pje3wmglwgfeltcl2lmqkxapuqprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuam9wd6x2unwvf6xxtnrdakj7qgmwaehxw309ankcetpwdhkuct5daezuer9wchhyetvv9usz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0g9vq0e has any suggestions, getwired.app had this feature

Carman 4mo ago

This has been tried so many times and never works. Your phone won't be able to compete with a desktop computer so there's no real way to do PoW prevention. Bitcoin works because of reusable PoW, where you can delegate it to specialized people, not make it something everyone does.

calle 4mo ago

I know my dude

Coach Z 4mo ago

thank you nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7ut7uqx and all the reckless testers 🫶🏽

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Diego 4mo ago

When I send a message it takes a long time to compute the first time and then if I send the same message in another geogash it’s almost instant.

Diego 4mo ago

Also longer messages seem to take way longer to compute. And semicolons, the symbol and the word spelled out take forever to compute 😂

calle 4mo ago

all that was chance, try again!

axelhamburch 4mo ago

I just tested v.1.2.2 with Google Pixel 8a, GrapheneOS and found that with difficulty: 15 bits, the letter "p" (as a message) takes between 2 and 19 seconds. 🤷