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516add19... 1y ago

This is going to be hard for some of you to accept. Your Google Pixel with GrapheneOS is NOT a de-Googled phone. Your Pixel is a Google device. You didn't de-Google anything but your OS. Stop pretending your proprietary hardware made by Google is "de-Googled". A true de-Googled phone would be removing all Google software from an already non-Google phone like a Samsung Galaxy for example. This would literally be a de-Googled phone.

Now, I have nothing against using GrapheneOS on a Pixel device. What I do have a problem with is people deceiving the #privacy community with this "My Google Pixel running GrapheneOS is a de-Googled phone." nonsense. Stop using the term "de-Googled phone" when referring to GrapheneOS running on a Google Pixel. Have a nice day. 🫡

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nicnym 1y ago

Hardware back doors can exist in anything

516add19... 1y ago

Correct.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Are you saying that graphene on a pixel isn’t private or can still be spied on by Google? Or are you just saying that it’s still a Google product and therefore supports Google?

516add19... 1y ago

All I am saying is a Google Pixel with GrapheneOS is not a "de-Googled phone".

ThatGuy 1y ago

Hmmm, Im not sure I follow the point. Are you just playing a semantics game, or is there an argument here that relates to a larger, more interesting idea? (An idea like "Graphene phones dont actually remove google services" or "Google still interacts with your Graphene phone the same as with a google android phone").

Of course HW backdoors are a known paradigm. Im assumimg the NSA could target an individual if they chose to. I would imagine there are incarnations of the PROMIS software we dont even know about! There are any number of unknowns that graphene cant account for, but are you insinuating that graphene doesnt do what it claims?

Kriso 1y ago

How to de-Samsung Samsung Galaxy? To be sure, I would have to build the phone myself, which is impossible. Pixel with Graphene OS is more trustworthy than Samsung.

516add19... 1y ago

I'm not talking about trustworthiness though. I'm saying a Pixel with GrapheneOS is not de-Googled.

516add19... 1y ago

You cannot de-Samsung a Samsung phone. This is silly.

Not Sure 1y ago

I see where you are coming from, but I disagree hard.

To de-Google something, doesn't it have to be Googled to begin with?

516add19... 1y ago

All I'm saying is a Google Pixel with GrapheneOS is not a de-Googled phone.

Not Sure 1y ago

You are saying that. I disagree.

516add19... 1y ago

You can be wrong.

Adeptus 1y ago

I get that purchasing the hardware that was built to Google's spec is problematic.

But other than semantics, what about the hardware itself is a privacy concern?

516add19... 1y ago

I'm not talking about other privacy concerns. I'm saying don't call a Google Pixel with GrapheneOS a de-Googled phone.

Adeptus 1y ago

So it is semantics. Got it.

516add19... 1y ago

No. Its just true. Dont be silly lol.

Adeptus 1y ago

Your statement has nothing to do with privacy.

Nothing to do with outlining a threat within the hardware.

It's an argument over wording.

"Silly" indeed.

516add19... 1y ago

Well its about deceiving the privacy community. Your premise is wrong unfortunately. My post was not trying to outline the threat within the hardware that currently exists. I have spoken of this in the past.

Adeptus 1y ago

Does rooting and flashing with graphene end the data leakage that finds it's way to Google?

516add19... 1y ago

I say no. Lets say it did though. That still wouldnt make it a de-Googled phone.

Adeptus 1y ago

"No"

on no factual grounds.

The issue is semantics.

Fair enough. Good luck on your quest sir knight.

516add19... 1y ago

Its "No" because what your asking was never the point or topic of my post. I'm not sure why you would ask me your question when its beyond my posts point. Reread my post to better your understanding lol. 😂

Adeptus 1y ago

You can tilt at windmills all you want.

You are perfectly free to do so.

516add19... 1y ago

Is this how you cope with being confronted with the realization youre going on about something I never posted about. 😂🫶

Adeptus 1y ago

Nope.

But you're welcome to believe that.