I’m seeing lots of notes about how the average pleb can’t, or won’t set up their own non-custodial lightning node. I’m calling BS.

I’m an average pleb without a technical background. I set up my bitcoin node, lightning node and a couple of channels. It was a weekend project, and a lot of fun.

The best part was I didn’t do it alone. The team at Start9 was incredible, and through their Telegram channel they walked me through any issues I ran into ( #[0] , #[1] , #[2] )

#[3] , #[4] , #[5] , and the rest of the #Nodestrich crew were incredibly helpful in getting my lightning channels up and running with lots of inbound liquidity. I highly encourage you to reach out to any one of them if you’re thinking about starting your own non-custodial lightning node.

Give me your thoughts below. Are you an average pleb node-runner or do you plan to be? Do you think non-custodial lightning will take off or is it too complicated?

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I’m just a Pleb — In 2017 when I first read about running a node and lightning scaling these things were just theoretical to me… I never thought they’d become so accessible only 2 years later. They will continue to do so, exponentially.

FOSS software and communities like #Plebchain and #Nodestrich are at the core of this expansion.

My mom is turning 65 this year and she runs a lighting node. If she can do it, anyone can ⚡️

I haven't seen anyone say this. Most people I've come across have setup their node. I'm glad that you were able to get set-up and join the node runners family. The best part for beginners is that someone somewhere has had the exact same issue and is willing to help. Just ask! 🤙

Can confirm… I’m highly regarded and Derek along with others walked me through it, pretty easy. Anyone can run a node, open lightning channels and run a nostr relay. It’s not too hard, if you don’t, it stems from apathy not a lack of technical skills

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You think? Or are you trolling. 😂😂

Its not easy at all. Been trying to install Ubuntu for weeks to get start9, or a my node going...

Unless you can drop $500+ on node HW. Its not easy to startup a lightning node.

Btc node was easy though.

Maybe I’m privileged cause of the people that were willing to help out, so it seemed easier? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Plug and play solutions will come for mainstream and people willing to trust them in general. It will get easier and likely cheaper as with any tech imo.

But I don't trust. So theres that.

Thanks for not helping at all!

#[13] Can you help?

The trade off of not trusting is building it yourself so of course it requires investing more time. Happy to help, I just didn’t get the sense you wanted to be helped. Sorry if I totally misread the vibe 🫂

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Time is not an issue (low time pref)

I can not get Ubuntu to be able to run on my windows 10 laptop. Every time the install/setup fails

If you have the BTC node running, you're half way there

Idk how to zap you but I would if I could. Well done. (Non-TestFlight damus user. DM an invoice)

If you don't have it, download Wallet of Satoshi, go to Receive => Lightning address. Copy the XXXXX@walletofsatoshi.com email-like address. Open Damus, go to Profile => Edit and paste the address in the field "Bitcoin Lightning Tips". You're all set now now. In order to zap, use a client like snort.social or iris.to and click zap icon on posts.

I have a LN URL setup. Just not using a client that enables it. I also don’t want to input my keys in a browser. Only using Damus and Gossip clients right now. Will wait for release or update. 🤷‍♂️

I am definitely the type that would devote a weekend to setting up a node, although I have so-so tech skills. I did it with Linux projects all the time. Problem is that I really am a ‘digital nomad’ and currently live off of a T-Mobile hotspot. When I’m spending more time at home base in the future, I’ll set up a node.

I haven’t looked in to setting one up but your post makes it sound nearly impossible for most people. You needed a weekend and a community of people to support you in order to make it work?!!? And you’re on here so you’re more technically minded than most even if you’re not a computer professional.

People say understanding fediverse user names is beyond most people’s ability. And that takes like 5 minutes in an explainer video at most.

Unless you can drop $500+

It is not easy at all

Fake news

Thanks for your help

Just because it's possible does not mean that it's feasible / realistic for everyone. You were able to do it by buying specific hardware and with help from a team of experts. People who can't or don't want to go through that process won't be able to do it. And that's not to mention backups, especially if you're using CLN (which is preferable), ongoing maintenance, risks with running a routing node, and so on. If you're only using LN sporadically with small amounts, it might not make sense to go through the hassle.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from giving it a go. It is definitely worthwhile. I run two nodes (one CLN, one LND). Just saying that I don't want to call "BS" on it, because there are perfectly legitimate reasons for not wanting to do it. It's at least an order of magnitude more complicated than running a Bitcoin node (launch GUI & wait).

Anyone can join PLEBNET or reach out to anyone for help. If there's a will, there's a way

No doubt. For a lot of users it just might be reasonable that they don't have a strong will to do it. Nothing wrong with that.

I 100% agree with you Max… sorry should have linked the note I was responding to. But it said something like 99% of Nostr users won’t use non-custodial lightning solutions because it’s too challenging to set up. Was it a challenge? For me it was, but not impossible… not even close. Im just pointing out that if you’re motivated there are plenty of resources and communities here willing to help get up and running, even for an average, very non-technical pleb like myself.

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I built this with my teenage kid in an hour two years ago. My technical ability was limited, but I had a deep desire to be my own bank.

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Like we grew up with MS-Dos & Linux,

Current and next generations will be growing with BTC & Lightning. It will be native tech for them.

I grew on MS Dos and QBasic

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I just finished doing this with little to no experience, but a strong desire to do the right thing and figure it out. #soultiller

These early Plebs and Maxis (like you and I) will definitely enjoy the benefits and ease-of-mind from non-custodial LN. However, in a hyperbitcoinized scenario, the majority of people will never have non-custodial L2 (L1 or saving is different IMO), and that's okay. Moreover, because there's currently no way to have non-custodial LN without opening channels (I hope this changes), LN as a payment solution can only scale with custodial solutions. I like Nik Bhatia's idea of LN banks and I think that's where it's headed. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for non-custodial L2 solutions and would support any efforts to make this happen, it's simply not the current case for scaling in billions of people. My 2 sats.

I'm tre lazy and nonversed in egghead dynamics, so nah, none of that shit for me lol

I'm a lightning pleb using https://mynodebtc.com/

I am embarrassed to admit I do not yet have my own non custodial lightning node. Too many options I'm overwhelmed. I have to learn how to it the right way not a mindless plug and play umbrel kind of thing...

what about trying the mindless way first?

Even with the “mindless way” you’ll still learn how open/close channels, be mindful of on chain fees, balance channels, and develop a network of other noderunners. Might be a nice way to start. I just started. Not 100% convinced I’ll be doing this long-term but I’m learning a ton along the way and meeting great people. 🤙

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Non-mindless way, install a Linux distro, install Bitcoin Core, install LND or CLN (both of the implementations have good documentation either on their website or on GitHub)

Yea I will give it a shot. I've heard of plebnet before the time is now to learn. I don't like that my current lightning wallet can rug pull me any moment.