I am using my brain. I'm not the one suffering from a lack or imagination, here.

You cannot help your neighbors against any group that has banded together unless you _also_ band together. And if you band together, then you need to move in a coordinated fashion. Which leads to leadership and rules, over this use of violence, within your defined area of protection, which leads to governance.

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Yes. Like a well-trained and organized militia?

Which:

A. Is not a permanent army.

B. A tool of the state.

C. It only called together when neccessary, then disbanded.

D. Is not a coerced duty.

Even though early on in the US, it was a coerced duty. But, again, I refuse to use coercive means. Help me or don't. Your call.

Splitting hairs. If our village names itself Cow Kingdom and we have a Cow Militia, consisting of reservists, then that is a government with an army.

If you have a government, then yes. But if you DON'T have a government, which is entirely possible, then it is not.

I don't or want need a human king/ruler/official/potentate/dictator/"representative." I already have pledged my allegiance to Jesus. The State is anathema to living as a Follower of Christ.

If a militia forms, it is to protect some piece of property, which is their territory. A multi-human entity holding a monopoly on violence over a defined territory is a government.

It does not have to be a government.

You want it to be.

I do not.

I do not agree with the premise that a temporary mutual aid agreement requires permanent authoritarian structures ruling over a particular place or group of people.

A militia, with no predefined hierarchy, without regular and required training, that people join or ignore, depending on what they had for lunch, is just a messy mob.

no, it's not. a local militia knows their own territory they must defend better than anyone, that's the whole point.

also, i don't believe it is possible that human power can endure. so their time is short.

and they are motivated by more than just money they're motivated to defend their homes, families, and the way of life their families enjoy.

I know groups that are not a messy mob and entirely voluntary . . . So . . . I respectfully submit that you are wrong.

Also, people in a militia can have a perfectly functioning hierarchy without there being any coercion. Again, I see it. And, in some ways, it is a growing thing.

Heck, that's how the early church was with the ecclesia. (Granted, there were leaders that were appointed through apostolic succession, but I am explicitly not conflating those with any human governance, as that is a separate thing. IMO.)

And yet they wiped the floor with SEALs in Operation Red Wings. SEALs didn't even get a shot off.

You underestimate the capabilities of non-state militias, ma'am.

The trick is getting them to train often-enough and remain up to date in the absence of a clear and present danger. No, I don't have an easy solution.

yes, indeed it is. but all property needs defenders or it decays. the plumbing won't maintain itself.

nope. if its voluntary its not the government. that's the core of our whole argument and its going right over your head

she literally has no idea what she's talking about.

she think coordination requires the state.