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Because only the strong can protect the weak. If society stays atomized, the weak can simply be picked off, one by one.

Why are you equating strength with coercion?

That's high-key gross.

And, when have I ever said I would "stay atomized?" We are supposed to help our neighbors. I intend to do that, and hope that they will help me in my time of need.

You are conflating things to conform to your twisted idea of how a society should be run, which is NOT HOW GOD WANTS HUMANS TO LIVE. That's pretty implicit and explicit through the entire Bible.

Come on, Stella. Use your brain. Think about this. Where in Jesus' life does he condone anything you are proposing?

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Laeserin 1w ago

I am using my brain. I'm not the one suffering from a lack or imagination, here.

You cannot help your neighbors against any group that has banded together unless you _also_ band together. And if you band together, then you need to move in a coordinated fashion. Which leads to leadership and rules, over this use of violence, within your defined area of protection, which leads to governance.

The Beave 1w ago

*sighs*

Yes. Like a well-trained and organized militia?

Which:

A. Is not a permanent army.

B. A tool of the state.

C. It only called together when neccessary, then disbanded.

D. Is not a coerced duty.

Even though early on in the US, it was a coerced duty. But, again, I refuse to use coercive means. Help me or don't. Your call.

Laeserin 1w ago

Splitting hairs. If our village names itself Cow Kingdom and we have a Cow Militia, consisting of reservists, then that is a government with an army.

The Beave 1w ago

If you have a government, then yes. But if you DON'T have a government, which is entirely possible, then it is not.

I don't or want need a human king/ruler/official/potentate/dictator/"representative." I already have pledged my allegiance to Jesus. The State is anathema to living as a Follower of Christ.

Laeserin 1w ago

If a militia forms, it is to protect some piece of property, which is their territory. A multi-human entity holding a monopoly on violence over a defined territory is a government.

The Beave 1w ago

It does not have to be a government.

You want it to be.

I do not.

I do not agree with the premise that a temporary mutual aid agreement requires permanent authoritarian structures ruling over a particular place or group of people.

Laeserin 1w ago

A militia, with no predefined hierarchy, without regular and required training, that people join or ignore, depending on what they had for lunch, is just a messy mob.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1w ago

no, it's not. a local militia knows their own territory they must defend better than anyone, that's the whole point.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1w ago

also, i don't believe it is possible that human power can endure. so their time is short.

Kajoozie Maflingo 1w ago

and they are motivated by more than just money they're motivated to defend their homes, families, and the way of life their families enjoy.

The Beave 1w ago

I know groups that are not a messy mob and entirely voluntary . . . So . . . I respectfully submit that you are wrong.

Also, people in a militia can have a perfectly functioning hierarchy without there being any coercion. Again, I see it. And, in some ways, it is a growing thing.

Heck, that's how the early church was with the ecclesia. (Granted, there were leaders that were appointed through apostolic succession, but I am explicitly not conflating those with any human governance, as that is a separate thing. IMO.)

Raison d'État 1w ago

And yet they wiped the floor with SEALs in Operation Red Wings. SEALs didn't even get a shot off.

You underestimate the capabilities of non-state militias, ma'am.

The trick is getting them to train often-enough and remain up to date in the absence of a clear and present danger. No, I don't have an easy solution.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1w ago

yes, indeed it is. but all property needs defenders or it decays. the plumbing won't maintain itself.

Kajoozie Maflingo 1w ago

nope. if its voluntary its not the government. that's the core of our whole argument and its going right over your head

Kajoozie Maflingo 1w ago

she literally has no idea what she's talking about.

she think coordination requires the state.