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I see A LOT of “it’s the Jews!” posts on this protocol of late, and while I will defend your right to say it, I’m getting aggrieved blue-hair “it’s the patriarchy!” vibes. Replace “patriarchy” with

“Jews” and it’s almost word for word.

“Our problems are due to the patriarchy!” “The patriarchy has held us down for so long!” Just sub in Jews now.

Oh yes, you have your justifications, your rationales for why your personal problems and character deficiencies are really due to the Jews, no chance you are just falling short on your own. The blue hairs can point out the same re the patriarchy, the endless colonialism, oppression, blah blah blah.

If you live in a modern western country you are still (for now) largely free to determine your own fate, whether you thrive or live a dull, stilted life and console yourself with self-pitying victim-think.

And this is true even with all the geopolitical chaos and corruption. And this is true no matter your race, ethnicity, religion or other special box society has for you. You have the ability to choose the focus of your attention, the state of your consciousness. Why else tell people to “stack?” unless you thought they still had a choice?

Very easy to see the blue hairs falling for an absurd psyop, harder to see yourself falling for the same (but counter) psyop. That psyop is “divide and conquer.”

What the ruling class fears most is for people of uncommon ancestry to make common cause. Urging people you don’t know to “stack” is the same as saying “make common cause.”

Most people here understand this. And yet they still contribute to the psyop, wittingly or not.

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Chiefmonkey 5mo ago

Agreed

Stop saying it’s “the Jews”

It’s the Zionists… there’s Christian Zionists too

Every culture has their 1% of psychopaths

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Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

The problems I hear attributed to Jewish ideology and influence are very rarely personal failings, and almost always criticisms of broader culture.

Most who come to think that Jewish influence in culture is a problem are motivated and willing to act.

Identity and culture are the foundations of a society and we will always be divided by them. Spend some time figuring out who the ruling class is, your idea of “we should all just get along and we are all in this together” is not your own idea either.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

LOL, do you actually know any Jews in real life, or are you just theorizing? There is no “Jewish ideology”. There are a bunch of people whose parents were Jewish and who believe all kinds of different things.

People will never “all just get along”. But the valid basis for disagreement is not “that person is black, and I’m white” but along the priorities and values dimension.

My biggest criterion for who I want to associate with is not race/ethnicity but are they based or someone who just believes what he’s told. That’s it.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

Come walk around the streets of my town. You’ll see quickly how silly this all sounds.

You need to trust someone and have a close relationship in order to discover their beliefs and values. For most social interactions, judgement is made based on identity before anything else. And others will do that to you far more than you do it to them.

And what a silly thing to say, “no Jewish ideology”. Of course there is. Would you say there is also no Christian ideology, or no Muslim ideology? Of course not, it would be absurd. Religion is meaningful and powerful and forms the basis for shared culture.

You almost sound like a gender activist who would say “a woman is whatever you want it to be!” Being Jewish does not mean nothing. Just because you don’t understand the underlying ideology of Jewish faith doesn’t mean that it isn’t a real thing.

And you don’t get to choose who you associate with, not really anyway. Not in a dense society with public spaces.

Countries used to be boundaries of cultural association, but that has been destroyed in most European societies.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

You sound like a woke liberal telling me I can never understand the “lived experience" of a black lesbian midget! It’s just identity politics of another stripe.

There is no “Christian ideology!” There are 100 different factions of Christians who killed each other for centuries over these differences. Then there are millions of Christians who have Christian parents, but don’t even practice at all. You cannot speak generally about Jewish or Muslim or Christian ideology and apply it even to a majority of any of those groups.

The Daniel ⚡️ 5mo ago

I don’t agree with Chris on everything but he’s completely right on this one. When you blanket whole groups together under a perceived stereotype, you negate the individual.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

That’s correct. All I’m saying is that for all of our high minded thought about absolute individual liberty and everyone being able to coexist, other people in the world don’t see it that way.

And if you don’t acknowledge that reality and don’t spend any time learning about what shapes culture, and the type of culture you want to live in, you will be at a huge disadvantage.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

I agree it's naive to think you can let in millions of people unvetted from a totally different culture and expect things not to fall apart catstrophically. The kumbaya bullshit of the left does not play in real life.

But the reactive identity politics of the right is also a mistake IMO, and you see it cropping up a lot now.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

I’m open minded. If reactive identity politics is a mistake, what angle would you take to address the modern cultural problems facing European countries?

Chris Liss 5mo ago

I would prosecute criminals with no excuse or dispensation made for identity politics. I would shut the borders and vet properly based on adherence to Western values. I would appeal to people’s self-interest in having a prosperous country. I’m not saying it would work, only that identity politics is IMO the road to hell because it’s premised on collectivism.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

Based and I wish you well.

My take is that collectivism is a dark art. It is incredibly powerful and dangerous, but it also is undeniable and part of the nature of most humans. Very few have reached levels of wealth or intelligence to truly be separate from collective thought or identity, and there’s an argument that it’s an impossible task.

This dark art of collectivism has been harnessed against the individual in most countries over the course of history. The reason the right is so infatuated with collective identity now is because the dark art of collectivism is the most effective way to reach our ideological goals.

If you find that immoral or dangerous I would completely agree with you, but I’m in a mind frame where I’d be willing to try anything to improve the state of my community (it’s gotten bad here).

Chris Liss 5mo ago

I agree with this too — in an emergency, people sometimes do what they think they have to, even at the expense of principles.

But ultimately, a problem that arises from a certain level of consciousness (leftist, collectivist identity politics causing catastrophic results) must be solved from a higher level of consciousness. You won’t solve it by creating a collectivist society that’s “good” vs one that’s “bad.”

Collectivism is the road to hell IMO. All enlightenment is due to the individual, whether you see that as surrendering to God or Jesus or creating profound works of art. The collective has nothing to do with that, in fact IMO will always interfere with it.

Appreciate your open-mindedness too.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

The existence of sub-factions does not disprove the existence of a shared, overarching ideology. Those Christians who fought each other, how many of them didn’t believe in core stories like genesis, the crucifixion, or the resurrection?

If anything, the fact that even people with shared ideologies will fight to the death over smaller differences should tell you how dangerous a multicultural world will become.

I can tell you what a Christian, Muslim, and Jew generally believes. Your denial that these religious identities have meaning and define culture will not serve you well.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

People will kill each other over disparate beliefs, that is not in doubt. But it’s not the way, only a last resort when someone else forces their beliefs on you with violence.

And the Jews and Christians I know personally (don’t know many Muslims) have wildly different views from each other — I mean the Christians do not all think alike, nor do the Jews. If by what a Christian, Muslim and Jew, generally believe, you are talking about avowed, devout, practicing, proselytizing ones, okay fine. But I’m talking about people I know.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

In this case, I’m talking about the small handful of people who get to shape our culture. The people in media, Hollywood, politics, etc.

You are correct that everyone should have a right to peacefully practice their own religion and their own culture without threat of violence from others.

The issue I have is with the people who have subversively influenced our western culture and turned it into the slag that it currently is. And yes, many of them were and are Jewish, and their culture and alliance to a foreign nation is a huge issue for America.

Zach⚡️ 5mo ago

And yes, I know Jews in real life.

OpnState 5mo ago

I see your point. I think the issue here, at least for me, is what Israel is doing in Gaza.

Though Israel is not "the Jews", it is seen as an extension of Jewish faith.

Its direct evidence happening right before our eyes of some sick behavior.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

Criticize governments all you like, most are sociopathic. But it’s absurd for people to act as though “the patriarchy” or “white males” or “Jews” are bizarrely the source of their problems.

M-Vil 5mo ago

What a "jew" thing to say!

People are reading the Talmud.

It's not a psyop, it's the doctrine.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

Yes, it’s a psyop that “the Jews” are out to oppress and control you just like it’s a psyop that the “white patriarchial colonizers” are out to oppress and control the blue haired coed.

Think for yourself, live your life as you see fit.

Sawzall 5mo ago

Let us proceed together apace

₿k 5mo ago

Fuck the Israeli government for committing genocide. Fuck them for their occupation of the Palestinian region.

Before you defend them, I’ve been there and I’ve seen what the IDF did to Muslim people in the West Bank.

Chris Liss 5mo ago

stay on topic

₿k 5mo ago

while on this topic, how do you feel about the genocide and the occupation? Your perspective on this will help me determine your intention of the OP