I was so worried about how Iran was 2-3 years away from a nuclear bomb in 1992. Then how they were 2-3 years away every year since was even crazier. Canāt believe we dodged that bullet for 33 years thanks to our diligent, honest, and hard working govt.
Again, how old are you?
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I mistook this as a continuation of a different thread because of the order of my notifications.
Two questions: Do you think Iran stopped trying to get nukes? Or do you think itās not dangerous if they succeed? Your point is unclear.
Do you actually believe the nonsense ācount down to the end of the worldā war mongering that has persisted by multiple regimes who have been trying to start a war with Iran for 40 years, during which the same countries violently installed their own regimes and have been f*ckng with every govt in the region for more than half a century?
Donāt honestly still believe their elementary school narrative about why this is all happening? Thereās just some super bad guys who want a super bad bomb and the heroes have to stop them?
Iāll tell you very simply I think they are full of shit. Like they were for every single war for my entire life and for all of them for 20 years before I was born.
And I canāt imagine someone still just taking them at their word considering that not once has it held up. Literally not a single time.
I might be missing what youāre really getting at here. Letās be more specific: Do you think Iran has zero nuclear ambitions? And if they achieved them, would a theocracy with nuclear weapons concern you at all? Does Western governments dishonesty somehow make Iranian threats less real?
Do you or do you not believe Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and therefore must be stopped at all costs?
I really donāt know. Do you know?
What about Iran? Are they also not developing nuclear weapons?
They definitely are now
Before they wanted to have the capability of developing a nuke as a deterrent so Israel and the US wouldnāt do to them what they did to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen.
Gaddafi gave up their nuclear weapons program and look at what they did to him.
Iran is not dumb. Without a nuclear deterrent they are as good as cooked.
Israel wants total control and domination of the region. Iran is the last one standing
Fair point. So honestly - what path forward do you see?
Maybe stop with the endless aggressive wars, overthrowing elected regimes, funding violent extremist groups, and supporting and installing tyrants across the Middle East?ā¦ I donāt know maybe thatās an option?
Be more specific please. Israel invented Hamas? Is that it? Bibi invented radical Islamism?
Yes, Ron Paul informed us of this many years ago.
Idk about radical islamism
Youāre not sure whether Bibi invented radical Islamism ?
No one āinventedā radical islamism. Factions in Islam became radicalized from US and Israeli actions in the region, but Iām not sure to what extent Bibi himself is responsible for
What about isis? Is that western creation too?
U.S. support for Syrian rebels contributed to the rise of ISIS. This lead to regional destabilization, a refugee crisis, and increased terrorism.
Israel and the US helped ISIS and al-Qaeda take over Syria.
Didnāt know that.
Donāt get me wrong, Iām describe myself as libertarian, even anarcho capitalist on a good day. It just doesnāt mean I canāt distinguish peaceful societies from non peaceful ones.
"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian State has to support bolstering Hamas & transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank. It's impossible to reach an agreement with them, everyone knows this, but we control the height of the flame."
~Benjamin Netanyahu 2019
Ok. So Bibi indeed invented radical Islamism. Now we found who to blame.
Itās not that simple, but Bibi is not a good actor.
Consider listening to Nick in general, but the last 2 shows are very informative on the current war
Wait, you still believe the nonsense about the Iraq war today?
As I said, I genuinely donāt know enough about Iraq to comment. But help me understand your perspective on Iran - are their nuclear ambitions a conspiracy in your opinion ? Whatās the exact reason it doesnāt seem to concern you?
Seem to keep avoiding from answering. Why?
This is the sort of crap that annoys me more than anything. First I donāt even know what you are wanting me to answer, second I have a stupid busy life, especially right now, and Iām not a loser who spends every second of my day on social. Literally havenāt even been up here since yesterday.
Probably see you tomorrow. If you want to not be a āomgerd he didnāt respond 20 seconds later got emā and make a legitimate point that isnāt a āso you donāt want to invade another country indiscriminately!? Well what if they are super bad guys?ā News vomit, you may do so under this post. But my desire to have a conversation with you has dropped significantly and you clearly have never even tried to look into this beyond whatever you heard on the news and I donāt feel like regurgitating something Iāve covered in a million different places here again for you.
You may try though.
Reducing complex questions to ānews sheep vs enlightened skepticā is the real intellectual poverty. Reality exists between blind faith and total conspiracy. Understanding requires respectful dialogue, not dismissive labels. Your inability to engage without ad hominem attacks mirrors the dogma you project onto others.
The inability to see clearly repeated asked questions (look above in the thread) while finding energy for insults is very disappointing for someone like you. True intellectual discourse demands patience, humility, and honest engagement with challenging ideas - not dismissive language about ālosers.ā This is exactly the difference between constructive and destructive dialogue.
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Demand I answer, play the āgotchaā game, then play the holier than thou card.
Thanks anyway but telling me I have to answer you on Fatherās Day is a great way to earn exactly what youāve received.
Can you make it less cryptic? Donāt know whatās the gotcha game. There is also the option of just answering the questions, just as people do in intellectual dialogue.
Listen, my wife is sick, kids are crazy, I thought I was going to get this day to do a little work, and then I come up here for 5 minutes and have to respond to the most vapid News lineup talking points imaginable and then you acting like your ignorance of 40 years of regime change, CIA funding, the history of lies that have proliferated every single war we have been in since JFKās murder, the explicit manipulation, and not even knowing that Netanyahu has been funding and helping Hamas, pushed me a little too far today. Iām not going to lay out the history of the Shah of Iran and everything in the Middle East which is so obviously the consequence of our horrific and incessant meddling, overthrowing democracies, installing tyrants, and directly funding terrorists of all kinds since before the days of Bush 1.0.
Maybe Iāll come back to this, but I just donāt have the patience today. I got a little overheated and thatās my bad. Iām out of socials for a while though. Might come back to this later in the week. You can *easily* go do a little homework if you just want to look into any of the things mentioned above or pretend they donāt exist. Up to you.
If you want the simple intro, I suggest watching this documentary and then just verifying the claims, like any good Bitcoiner should. Donāt believe it blindly, and stop listening to the damn establishment whatever you do. It always pure bullshit.
Yes. I agree with a lot of what you say. Iām still wondering about your thoughts in the specific matter. Do you think Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons? And if they are, do you think it would be reasonable at some point to try to prevent it militarily?
