I have a question about friendship 🫂

Since i think #nostr is a place where a lot of intelligent people are right now, i think it’s the perfect place to ask this.

I have often heard about a phenomenon that intelligent people seem to have less friends or less social interaction. That is also what i can observe in my own life. I don’t want to say that i am more intelligent than other people, but i find that the things i want to talk about often do not resonate with others or they treat it much more on the surface than i do. So i really struggle to make deep connections. Most if not all of my few friendships are very superficial.

So my question is, do you experience similar things? 🤔

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Yes. Alot.

🫂💜 i am trying to dig into this. Why is it? It’s sad but honestly often i feel like „it isn’t worth my time to hang around a lot with the people i know“ 😔

Could it be because we are always willing to learn, grow and evolve while they are not?

Where does hypocrisy and corruption fit in the schooling,?!

I’m afraid serving envy and greed disguised as “learning” is nothing less than slapping on fake tits and pretending to be a woman.

Yes. I feel most people like to just sit in their comfort zone. Learning new things is hard. Beeing a noob is hard. But i think it is most rewarding.

Once you put them special glasses on, you see things for what they really are, not what you're told they should be and you'll never be able to remove the glasses either...

You must be careful telling others about the glasses. Speak to much about them and they can duplicate directly onto another human. But be weary, for others may not be mentally strong enough to handle the glasses and could go mentally insane.

Well said 🫂💜

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Yes.

Some of my friendship are 30 years old and they are still kind of superficial. Even if you try you feel they do not feel comfortable with getting deeper on certain ropics.

Deep connections I think I have with three friends, not more.

You are blessed if you have three deep connections mate 🫂💜

I also have the feeling sometimes people are afraid to get deeper because it could show that they don’t know much more about a topic. But actually often i feel similar but i want to learn more in discussing it

Pretty much, yes.

Circle of „old“ friends has reduced and changed over the last years. This was even the case before Bitcoin.

I don’t see it as something „negative“ though, since the possibilities to meet great intelligent people in the #Nostr & #Bitcoin space is 💯 worth it 🙏🏽

So with bitcoin it is even more difficult for me. I always hesitate to tell someone about it because of security concerns.

And yes, nostr really showed me, how much similar people like me are out there and what could be possible with friendships! But in a way that makes it a little more sad that i don’t have it with people locally close.

Its not negative in itself but i keep asking myself if i will regret it. Since i also heard that not putting much time in friendships is one of the top regrets of the dying

what about getting active in a Bitcoin community? It could help you getting closer to people around you, building friendships ans still meet „normal“ people ☺️😀

Yes, that is a good idea. I should definitely follow that path 🫂💜

All the time. It's what happens when a nonconformist meets a normie. 9 out of 10 people are terrified of feeling different from the herd. It's pretty sad to see. It's like people are too scared to be themselves.

Yes. And i feel that leads to a lot of those people seeking release in partying. For a few hours and with alcohand drugs they can be themselves. But for my partys become less and less appealing

Do you have any Bitcoin meetups in your area?

Honestly i didn’t look for that yet. That’s a hreat idea 🙏🫂💜

Tbh, my circle of friends has shrunken greatly since I started bitcoining. I never considered this a bad thing, though. It just showed me how many of my "friends" weren't really friends, at all. Another thing is, and I feel the need to be blunt about this, most people will not buy BTC until it's too late. What I mean by that is that most people will not buy any coin until the global economy goes to complete shit and the world is in a state of anarchy. It's this kind of toxic herd mentality that will lead to most people going broke.

Absolutely agree. That’s sad. Bitcoin is really a thing most people won’t grasp until it’s too late. But there are also a lot of other topics i want to discuss, like self reflection, that most ppl just seem to avoid.

So... I asked ChatGPT why people avoid self reflection just for fun. Lol. It gave me this. Sorry, you made me curious.

1. Fear of discovering unpleasant truths about themselves - People may avoid self-reflection because they don't want to face their flaws or weaknesses. It can be difficult to accept criticism or negative feedback about one's self, and they may choose to ignore it to avoid feeling uncomfortable or ashamed.

2. Lack of time or priority - People are often busy with work, family, or other responsibilities, making self-reflection low on their list of priorities. They may feel like they don't have enough time for introspection, or they may not see the value in it.

3. Fear of change - Self-reflection often leads to self-improvement, which can require significant changes in one's life. People may avoid self-reflection because they are afraid of the changes or unsure of their ability to make them.

4. Lack of awareness - Some people may not be aware of the benefits of self-reflection, or they may not understand how to do it effectively. They may need guidance or education to help them develop this practice.

5. Comfort with the familiar - People may be content with their current way of life and not feel the need for self-reflection. They may be comfortable in their habits and routines and not want to disrupt them by exploring their thoughts and emotions.

Absolutely quality answer 💯

Agreed.

yes #nostr is the platform to #validate the #idea to some extent - people (close family+friends+haters) cannot think differently unless they gets it themselves. nobody can teach others.

Yes. Everyone has to dig into this by themselves, but mist just don’t care 🤷🏻‍♂️

Ja, das ist so. Vielen Dank für die Frage und die vielen interessanten Antworten.

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Bist du ok damit oder versuchst du etwas dagegen zu unternehmen?

Das ist völlig okay so.

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Its exactly that. I need to go deeper If any connection I want to establish. But most people seem to be oké just staying at the surface.

I gues Bcs that is the most easy and conveniënt way. The deeper connections you maybe establish later in life when u find like minded people. Or who share your beliefs. Everything is in constant motion.

Good question 💜⚡️🧡

Yes. I also found that most ppl just seek the way of least resistance. They don’t even want to add two numbers in their head without a calculator.

My girlfriend also just said to me, that maybe i find my good friends later in life than others. Maybe. But i still it’s sad atm 😅

Yes. My strongest friendships are from like 10-20 years ago and it’s perfectly normal to have it this way.

In psychology there is even a name for it - to struggle to find and build as strong relationships around 30y of age. I can’t remember though.

One thing I’d like to add: You shouldn’t want your best friends to necessarily be a bitcoiners. Simply look for people who understand value in their own way, are somewhat conservative and of course are correlating with your view of the world at least a bit.

You do not need your best friends to be your echo chamber. Quite the opposite actually. You’ll orange pill them later. No rush.

Thanks for the valuable words mate 🙏🫂💜 really appreciate that.

I think you are right. It’s like with a girlfriend. If you don’t have one for a long tome, you tend to imagine an unrealistic super girlfriend and no real woman will ever meet your expectations.

Real valuable input 🙏 need to rearrange my filters

I would say that friends and acquaintances tend to change as you evolve and hold different views of the world.

As an outgoing person, I used to have a lot of friends but now, I’m more focused on my family and building things than socializing.

Progress over perfection.

Some people might be stuck with an idea of “you” that doesn’t fit with who you’ve become.

Also, I might getting older (definitely) and wiser (hopefully)…lol.

I also have my focus on my family but sometimes i think not putting all you eggs in one basket should also be applied to social life. So much ppl get divorced. Families break everyday. I experienced it myself. It might sound a little selfish and negative but i don’t want to be alone if that happens again to me …

I understand your concern.

My point was not about having no friends, just highlighting the fact that they might change overtime.

Also, in regards to what you wrote at the end, we could argue that the best way is making sure that it doesn’t happen to you again.

You never can be sure mate. Unfortunately. I don’t want to sound depressing, but i think it is healthy to accept the reality that every relationship can break. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care! The opposite is true: if you realize that, you can value your relationships even more and enjoy them to the fullest 🫂💜

Distinguish between people you know and friends you would trust with your seed words ☝️

Opposite to common sense ("friendship ends when money gets involved"), true friendship does not suffer from money. Money is orthogonal to true friendship, just like #Bitcoin is orthogonal to law.

Let's say you bought some digital currency early and it gains a lot, then a friend is happy for you, while the acquaintance is envious.

It's normal to only have few friends. The ones you have, their value grows over time. The other ones, the acquaintances? You care less about them every year.

Well for me it’s like i care less for all of them every year 😅😔

That has reasons 😁

Yes. I don’t regret it. But i am still concerned i put to less effort in building friendships

Yes i do, i spemd about 90% of my free time alone. Im the tech person everyone calls to troubleshoot or to fox a digital problem. The conversations i have often lead to a “you think too much” or “why dont you put your feet on the ground more and get off the computer.” Which idk what to say when my background is in the tech world. Even when i was in university most of my professors would engage on me to answer first to spark the debates or to gwt more involved. Its weird and i hated it but how life goes i guess. Critical thinkers or philosophers are spread thin on earth.

I resonate with this a lot. Tend to engage myself with exciting stuff on the internet rather than go out and mert ppl. Sometimes i think it’s just an easy way out. But when i go out and meet ppl i don’t think it was „worth“ it often. Sounds sad when i read this …

I totally get what you are saying. In any case, if you need deeper connections with people, humor is the way to go. People having fun and loughing with each other are more willing to open up. My 2 sats from my own experience... Enjoy your day Bruder!

Thanks mate 🙏 humor is always a great way to connect. I find that is the least difficult part for me 😅

Maybe it is that i myself hesitate to open up deeper 🤔

Hatte vor Bitcoin quasi keine Freunde gehabt. Im Studium waren alle schlecht gelaunt, wollten jeden Tag nur Feiern gehen und haben geraucht ohne Ende. Es fühlte sich einfach an, als wäre ich anders...irgendwie weiter als die anderen. Ob ich nun intelligenter bin als die mag ich nicht zu beurteilen. Ich habe einfach früh im Leben erkannt, dass etwas mit der Welt nicht stimmt, wie ein Splitter in meinem Kopf, konnte es erst aber 2020 greifen.

Generell bin ich introvertiert und Small Talk ermüdet mich total. Wenn ich mit jemanden tiefe Gespräche führen wollte, kamen sie meist nicht hinterher, weswegen ich sehr einsam war.

Durch Bitcoin habe ich zum Glück viele tolle Freunde bekommen, die ähnlich ticken und mental mich sogar richtig fordern^^.

Liegt das an der Intelligenz? Keine Ahnung. Würde es eher mit niedriger Zeitpräferenz und moralischen Werten beantworten. Ich danke Bitcoin, dass es mir Licht in der dunklen Einsamkeit gegeben hat <3

Small talk find ich auch furchtbar lästig. Deswegen mag ich nostr. Hier kann man eingach von null auf hundert eine tiefsinnige frage stellen und direkt mit leiten darüber philosophieren 😅🙏🫂💜

Bist du zufrieden mit dem reinen internetkontakt? Oder triffst du dich auch mit den Bitcoinern, die du kennengelernt hast?

True. Nostr ist der perfekte Ort um zu philosophieren und gute Infos zu bekommen.

Ich treffe mich alle paar Monaten mit Plebs bei Events oder Meetups. Das reicht mir aktuell^^

Zu viele Menschen um mich rum stressen mich sehr. Mag es sehr an eigenen Projekten zu arbeiten und vlt. einmal im Monat mich mit jemanden zu treffen^^. Habe ja täglich Kontakt mit Plebs übers Internet per Spaces, Text oder Calls^^ War noch nie der Typ sich täglich mit Freunden draußen zu treffen^^

Das klingt, als wären wir uns sehr ähnlich. Fühle mich auch oft gestresst mit vielen Menschen. Gut, dass du das so für dich gebalanced hast, wie es dir gut tut 🫂💜

Was sind das für meetups und wo kriegt man nähere Infos darüber?

Bei Einundzwanzig.Space gibt es eine Karte mit allen Meet-Ups im Dachraum inkl. Liechtenstein und Luxemburg.Ich glaube im Umkreis von 50 km gibt es überall regelmäßige Meet-Ups

Wow cool, danke 🙏🫂💜

A donkey said to the tiger, “The grass is blue.” The tiger replied, “No, the grass is green.”

The discussion heated up, and the two submitted it for arbitration, before the lion, the King of the Jungle.

The king then declared, “The tiger will be punished with one year of silence.”

The donkey jumped cheerfully and went on his way, content and repeating, “The Grass Is Blue."

The tiger accepted his punishment, but before he asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all the grass is green.”

The lion replied, "The punishment is because it is not possible for a brave and intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with a donkey."

and continued, "The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who does not care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on arguments that don’t make sense."

There are people who, no matter how much evidence and evidence we present to them, are not in the capacity to understand, and others are blinded by ego, hatred, and resentment, and all they want is to be right even if they are not.

When ignorance screams, intelligence is silent. Your peace and quiet are worth more.

Wonderful story 🙏🫂💜

I have been measured around 140 IQ (not smart enough to be a genius, smart enough to live in near constant frustration)

It has been argued that gap in IQ makes meaningful conversations difficult. So, the more you find yourself on the ends of the distribution, the harder it would be to find someone to have meaningful conversations with.

My spatial intelligence is around 180, this bit drives me nuts sometimes and makes it very difficult for people to relate to what I have noticed spatially (conceptually) and creates a strong sense of isolation.

Another bit that drives me nuts is people thinking I am stupid because they couldn’t grasp what I was telling, in a social context where my “type” is a minority i quickly end up outcasted.

I feel that bro. 🫂💜

Why does it bother you so much what ppl think about you when they are not the ones you want/can have deeper connections anyway?

I have that feeling also sometimes, but then i think it isn’t worth it and i doesn’t care anyway what their impression of me might be 🤷🏻‍♂️

Because I crave the human connections my life has become almost totally deprived of. I just want to be part of the party… I am not.

Someone recommended to look for local Bitcoin meetups. Did you try that already?

Absolutely

How do you deal with it? Just accept it?

I guess I do🤔 It makes me really appreciate the good conversations I do have(when I have them).

That’s a good way viewing it 🙏🫂💜

I try inflation, interest rates as people feel these things these days and what if your money wouldn’t be losing it purchasing power instead? Sometimes we talk about it again and of course the conversation comes to #Bitcoin sooner than later.

Hmm it’s not about finding ppl to talk about Bitcoin but more to find ppl i want to make deeper connections with. Bitcoin is part of that and it would be nice if that topic could be also discussed, but it’s not necessary. Really just open minded ppl with strong personality and the ability to discuss things deeper. That would be nice

Followed friend pv

Followed too, pv 🫂💜🙏☺️

A best friend is like a four leaf clover, hard to find and lucky to have.

I have three good friends, one who is like family, one who supports me and also supports Bitcoin, and one who doesn't get in touch frequently but provides help when I have difficulties. They don't fully understand me, but they make up an impossible part of my life.

I would say my best friend is my girlfriend. I am so greatful to have her and it’s awesome that at least i have one person who i feel on the same level with in my life 🥰🙏

All others are just friends or acquaintances. Not even good friends.

Very relatable here

How you deal with it? Accept that it is like this?

I know my intentions are kind/pure - that I am a good person. I subsequently embrace my individuality and quirks instead of looking to conform out of convenience.

I meditate daily, and practice mindfulness, make sure I’m not distracted when interacting with others… subsequently, I have found it easier to communicate with those who are ready to receive the message.

What I’ve found, most people, plainly, are self absorbed and don’t want to discuss anything that challenges their sense of understanding of the universe. They don’t like being told that everything they thought they knew was wrong (in some instances, or a lie (I’m other situations)

Frequently, yes. The average Joe is usually concerned with rather meaningless things, and temporary highs, or they’re in a different stage of life than I am.

I’ve found the men I’ve connected with on a level of calling them friends have these 3 things in common with me.

1. Christian

2. Married

3. Father

1. They’re concerned about more eternal matters, and how we as the Church can respond to this burning world around us with love, and grace.

2. They desire to build up one of the most important relationships they’ll ever have. They want to become as complete of a man as they can through being sharpened like iron by being in a life long relationship with their wife.

3. They realize that the first disciples they’ll ever make are their offspring. That those children are their legacy. Therefore, they want to be noble and honorable men who have a stake in this worlds future, because they’re sons and daughters will inherit the world that’s been shaped by their decisions.

I’ve found I relate best to these men, and they make me better for it.

I’ll dust off my soap box for the next guy now lol 😅

I am not a father yet but hopefully become one in the next years. I am curious to see how my views and maybe friendships will change by this. But i think i already have a lot of the characteristics you described right now

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But... you need friends or you have no life. Without friendship, man becomes very unhappy.

A pet as a substitute cannot really help (dogs, cats).

No friends = crappy life.

That’s the question i ask my self: is life really crappy without friends? Or is it better having no friends rather than wrong friends? 🤔

The difficulty here is that both may feel that the other is wrong. Depends on how far you can bend inside. Perfect friends respect each others individuality.

You can also shape your friend to a certain extent and make it suitable for you - many people allow this to a large extent.

Life with friends is 100,000 x easier. I am sorry @Noerms without wonderful friends life is only pain.

When you are ill and a friend lovingly makes you many teas, his presence alone is half the cure.

I have two perfect friends.

For sure.

How do you deal with it? Is it ok or do you wish it was different?