Isreal has a principle: they do not leave their people behind. Their genocidal terrorist neighbors took advantage of that promise by kidnapping their people, hiding them behind human shields. Israel vowed to get them back at any cost, and that cost was not only acceptable to Hamas, but since they actually believe in martyrdom, desirable. It allowed them to decry Israel as the evil ones, recruiting simpletons in the West who ate up their propaganda, becoming their useful idiots, even as they shot their own people to prevent them from escaping harms way. Israel refused to be terrorized, they did not yield to the demented tactics of the death cult calling for their annihilation. At a terrible cost, no one denies.
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Israeli terrorizing innocent people means they are terrorists. You cannot escape this fact with hand waving. You are a terrorist sympathizer. It is truly disgusting.
The “innocent people” who overwhelmingly support Hamas and their stated goal of killing all Jews, and who were out in the streets cheering on October 7? Israel has a right to defend themselves against the monsters who spent the last decades preparing to attack and destroy them, and to this day continue to launch missiles and bullets at them. Denying them security from this threat makes *you* the terrorist sympathizer.
That is some twisted logic. We were looking at a video of people who are *not* terrorists having everything they own destroyed and their lives shattered or ended. Do you believe those people are sub-human and therefore doing that to them is not terrorism? Or that they somehow deserve it? You are beholden to a very sick mind virus. It is a dark stain on humanity and your excusing it is not righteous - it is disturbingly sick.
It’s not a matter of “deserve” — it is the reality that Hamas, with 85% support among Palestinians, intentionally created. Tunnels and hideouts placed beneath hospitals, schools, residential buildings so as to cause maximum casualties and infrastructure damage when attacked. Israel warns civilians to leave in advance, and Hamas shoots at them if they do. Israel is fighting an enemy who claims “we love death more than you love life” and who’s mission is to rape, torture, and kill Jews. How would you neutralize such a threat?
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/journey-into-hamas-mind-we-love-death/
Lol where you getting that 85% support number? They've not had an election in a long time... You realize they've blown up christian churches too right? They also bomb the places people flee to when they "warn" the civilians. If you're a christian, you're on the wrong side of this argument. I don't think Jesus would defend the state that is Israel in name only considering they are basically a godless people larping as Jews today
It’s from a Pew poll that happened to be done a few months before the Oct 7 attack.
Yes, I know that they have been absolutely ruthless in pursuit of identified targets — if they run into a crowd, Israel is not deterred. And the Hamas fighters do that intentionally.
You are calling innocent people terrorists. Grouping innocent non-violent people with terrorists and cheering on them being murdered and terrorized and calling that "defense"
Not so. Just pointing out that the death and destruction is by design — it is what Hamas planned and wants, and is doing everything they can to bring about. The jihad mindset rejoices in death, as they believe that the shedding of mortal life is the beginning of paradise. They seek martyrdom. Until you understand that, you will be confused about the conflict, and easily influenced by antisemitic propaganda.
You are rejoicing in death and projecting on other people. I don't condone terrorism by Jews nor by Hamas. But you: terrorism if it's perpetrated by Jews is A-OK.
I am not rejoicing. You are falsely accusing an entire nation of “terrorism”, when they are defending themselves against jihadist terrorists sending suicide bombers, shooting missiles, and opening fire from the middle of food lineups. Are you a jihadist, or just a regular antisemite?
I am not accusing an entire nation of terrorism. I am accusing Jewish Terrorists of terrorism. You, on the other hand, are conflating innocent people with terrorists and cheering on their slaughter.
Not cheering at all. It is an absolute tragedy. But I’m not going to blame the victims of the attack by religious maniacs, like you are. It seems to satisfy your bigotry toward Jews, and fits either an absolute ignorance of the ideology of jihadism, or perhaps, your participation in it.
Fact: if Hamas were to disarm tomorrow, there would be peace in Gaza. If Israel were ever to disarm, they would be slaughtered.
Fact: Israel has been terrorizing Palestinians and neighboring countries for 70 years. Those liars are not going to suddenly stop if Hamas disarms. Why are you defending them so hard and spewing their propaganda? Are you a Jewish Supremacist, or if you are not a Jew, then a compliant manipulated goyim?
Do you think the Jews should be allowed to live in peace? You sound like a jihadist.
Yes, of course they should be allowed to live in peace. Your tired comments like that have no weight here. When you are bombing your neighbors, false flag terrorizing other countries, comitting genocide and ethnic cleansing, enforcing institutional apartheid, blackmailing politicians of other countries by running a human trafficking network, I could go on, then expect some people to dislike you.
Something like 85% of Jews in Israel approve of the genocide, and don't consider the targets to be human. Similar to what you said earlier in summary. You are probably Hasbara scum but your arguments have to stand on their own here, and they will get destroyed. You guys are fresh out of tricks.
Most of that is retarded online conspiracy theory bullshit, probably spread by islamo-fascists. What you fail to acknowledge is that hamas and their backers planned for this, they engineered the situation for maximum human casualties. Listen to what they themselves say, over and over: that they love death, they really believe in martyrdom, and they would carry out the atrocities of Oct. 7th again if they could. So they keep attacking and running into crowded areas, knowing there will be retaliation and the death of innocents, which they use in the media to recruit useful idiots like yourself, utterly morally confused about who started the war, and who continues to wage it.
I have no religious affiliation and don’t even know what some of those terms mean. I also have no connection to Israel other than sharing their western liberal democratic values. I stand on the side of civilization, not theocratic fascism and medieval barbarism.
You have so much hostility and criticism of Israel, but what is your solution to the conflict? How should they respond to the dual genocidal-suicidal threat they face? Should Israel just accept that missiles are randomly going to reign down on their neighborhoods, and live under the threat of another Oct. 7th?
I don’t think they should. IMO, they have a responsibility to achieve security for their people. The war is awful and I wish it would stop, but these lunatics keep attacking and issuing threats, and refuse to disarm. All the while, claiming to love death. So WTF do you expect Israel to do??
While you ponder your answer, imagine that your daughter was among those gang raped and mutilated to death on October 7. Or your son held hostage by the people who did that, for years in Gaza, his body still not recovered. Or your grandparents burned alive in their home.
What's in it for you to defend Israel so much? Not knowing what those words mean means you don't know what kind of deceit you are buying into, hook, line and sinker.
Imagine if it was your daughter or son shot in the head by an IDF terrorist? They aim for the head. What are they supposed to do? Why do you care? Maybe they should stop terrorizing the region as they have been for the past 80 years.
You don't believe me because you put ypur blindfolds on whenever the daily atrocities instigated by Jewish Terrorists are posted on nostr. It is literally in front of your eyes and you can't see it.
Because I think you’re full of shit. It is you who have been propagandized by radical islam.
If you believe that the Jews have a right to live in peace, then answer the question: how should they defend against the suicidal, genocidal, threat from radical Islam? What would be an acceptable way to stop the missile attacks and future barbaric rape, torture, and murder incursions?
You are asking the wrong question because you have it backwards. The Jews are the aggressors.
You have to be some kind of radical anti-semite to believe that backwards bullshit. The jihadists aim has always been the annihilation of the Jews. This is what they say, and their actions support their words. The jihadists started the war on October 7th. Israel will end it, by any means necessary.
1) making October 7th the start of this is to ignore the previous 80(?) years.
2) You’ve missed out the bit about Israel funding hamas…
The whole world funded Hamas. When was radical Islam’s goal not the annihilation of Israel?
So you’re not denying Israel funded hamas?
If so, got to ask yourself why you would provide funding to someone you know hates you?
Humanitarian grounds. My country, and probably yours, and most developed countries, sent money to Hamas to help the beleaguered Palestinians. Hamas is the elected government. Very little of the money actually made it to the people, because those pieces of shit used the money for building tunnels, stockpiling weapons, and paying the families of suicide bombers.
And yes, I heard that Bibi turned a blind eye to all of this, probably daring them to strike, so he could strike back in the manner that he did. Disgusting. Yet still, the jihadists made the bed they now lie in.
In the UK the government has an approval rating of less than 20%.
Imagine something similar happening between the UK (representing Hamas) and the US (representing Israel).
Do you think every person in the UK deserves to die even though 50% didn’t vote for that government and 80% now don’t approve of them?
Once Hamas we’re in power how easy do you think it would have been for the Palestinians to remove them if they wanted to? I suspect not very.
What about the children who were not even born when Hamas was voted in? Are they also complicit and deserve to die.
All of this is not even touching on the fact that Isreal was land taken from the Palestinians without their consent.
They don’t “deserve to die”. It’s difficult for the western mind to comprehend what belief in martyrdom actually means, but it is the reason that suicide bombers are almost always of the same religion. Christians don’t do that, generally. Hamas, and their Iranian jihadist backers, engineered Gaza to maximize the number of martyrs after they started the war with Israel. It is why, when Israel warns the Palestinians to leave an area before bombing, Hamas shoots at them. It is why they hide under playgrounds, hospitals, and schools. When they say, “we love death more than you love life”, they mean it. They know that when Israel attacks, and civilians die, they win on two fronts: more martyrs in paradise (which is much better than this world), and they can use the death and destruction as a PR tool in their sympathy campaign to raise money and turn the world against Israel, gain power and influence, and spread their awful religion.
What would you do, to fight an enemy that wants to die, wants it’s people to die, and wants to rape, torture, and kill you and all of your countrymen? What would your solution to jihadism be, if you were surrounded by them, taking rocket attacks and suicide bombers, as Israel is?
Don’t get me wrong when you read this, I absolutely condemn what Hamas did and has been doing for a long time. But it’s also possible, at the same time, to see that what Isreal is doing and has been doing for a long time is also not right.
What I’m hearing you say is that it’s justified for all of the Palestinians to be killed because that’s the only way to stop Hamas. So you’d be OK with all of your countrymen being wiped out if there were was a small percentage of the population acting as Hamas has been doing? You’d be OK with all of the non ‘Hamas’ people being hemmed in, bombed and starved to death?
Maybe, if Isreal hadn’t been pursuing and agenda of expansion since its inception the Islamist jihadists wouldn’t be such an issue…? After all Jews, Christians and Arabs have managed to live side by side in that part of the world before.
I’m not saying it’s “justified” per se. I’m saying it was intentionally created by Hamas/Iran/the jihadist movement. Their immediate aim is the annihilation of Israel. Their long term goal is global caliphate. They choose to sacrifice Palestinians, by creating a situation where Israel is faced with a “kill or be killed” scenario.
Suppose you were in command of Israel. The population is fed up with rockets hitting their homes and playgrounds where their children play. Oct. 7th was the last straw. They demand security. How do you neutralize the jihadist threat?
Not subjugating them and giving them their land back might be a good start.
You have to remember that this all started with the creation of the Israeli state without the consent of Palestinian people who were living there at the time.
The Jews had been living there just as long. Rehashing the past doesn’t change the facts today. ISIS and their ilk are ruthless terrorists who glorify death, and the Palestinians embraced that ideology, and elected a government whose core mission is genocide of the Jews. The diabolical plan they implemented, with participation and support of the population, has led to the current situation. Hamas kills their own people as much as they continue taking shots at Israelis. They are as evil as it gets, and yet they’ve managed to convince millions that Israel are the bad guys here.
Israel’s terms are reasonable, given what has happened: stop attacking and disarm. If they continue attacking, they will be destroyed. Hiding in residential buildings won’t save them. The leadership, ordering attacks from 5-star hotels in other countries, will not be spared. Jihadists waging war against Israel, and ultimately, western civilization, must be stopped. Their anti-semitic propaganda is just part of their strategy; don’t fall for it.
You’re one brainwashed faggot retard brent.
Zionists worship jews, you’re not christian.
October 7th was a false flag hoax you clown. The biggest supporter of Hamas is Israel (fully acknowledged):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
It didn’t “blow up in Israel’s faces”. Hamas is an IDF cutout. The cartoon villains offer the exact pretext needed to annex Gaza. You don’t accidentally fund a terror organization that wants to attack you and then be surprised it attacked you. That makes no sense.
What does makes sense is that you couldn’t conceal the vast amount of funding you were putting into creating an enemy to justify fighting.
In the US we had the same thing - Al-Qaeda. Manufactured by the CIA, they provided the pretext for the War on Terror.
Hamas (which means “violence” in Hebrew… HELLO) has alleged goals that are incomprehensible - implausibly villainous and strategically nonsensical. They put all that time and effort and planning into… raping and kidnapping… to accomplish… what exactly?
It all only makes sense to the truly propagandized and the blackmailed. But that’s all they need to plow forward.
It’s literally like if I paid someone to break into my house pretending to be my neighbor and then went and shot my actual neighbor and his kids and raped his wife, saying “I have a right to defend myself”. That is literally how the US and Israel do war in the 21st century.
That’s pretty ironic! What your conspiracy-addled mind is failing to comprehend is the actual beliefs of radical Islam, like martyrdom and jihad. If you take what they say at face value, then everything they do makes sense. The theocratic fascists in Iran and other places that produce propaganda to weaken the West, exploit this lack of understanding in the Western mind, to create the kind of confusion that you expressed.
The world was funding the buildup of the Hamas infrastructure for decades out of sympathy for their subjects, the Palestinian people, who elected them. The money was supposed to alleviate poverty and suffering, but instead Hamas used it to fund suicide bombers, missiles, tunnels, and to create an education system to foster hatred of the Jews and religious fervor, as a recruitment strategy for their holy war.
There are several documentaries about the Oct. 7 attacks, I suggest you watch one. And listen to this, to learn a bit about the jihad mindset facing the civilized world: https://youtu.be/oFBm8nQ2aBo?si=kKSnEmiQ8wwIm0Mm
Yes, there are several documentaries… produced with footage that was obtained… how exactly?
One was produced by the IDF within weeks of the attacks…
When did they obtain all the footage? If they had it before the attacks, why didn’t they stop them? If Hamas released it, why on earth would they do that? Why reveal methods? It makes absolutely no sense.
The Hamas people are always in balaclavas because they are IDF soldiers. Same as Patriot Front in the US. When people have ripped the masks off them, they turn out to be Jewish college students.
Your mind is riddled with propaganda, like the Germans under Nazi rule. You dehumanize an entire group of people. You conduct false flags. You claim of a global conspiracy against you. Victor Klemperer correctly identified that Zionism and Nazism were the same thing - ethno-nationalism - back in his diaries in the 1930s. Israel is the only country still operating under militant ethnic-nationalism with impunity in the 21st century and it’s really despicable.
Mobile phones of people at the Nova music festival, mostly
The festival that was organized by the IDF only a few days ahead of time?
What about the training footage?
I’d love to see testimony of a survivor with actual tears, I’ve seen countless dry eyes (the hallmark of staged events)
lol you’re nuts
The event celebrated a Jewish holiday, and music festivals cannot be organized in only a few days. That would be impossible. The event was organized by an Israeli production group called Nova.
They set up a foundation to support survivors and their families.
https://novaexhibition.com/the-tribe-of-nova-foundation
The website announcing the festival existed on October 8 but was not cached even once prior to the event
https://web.archive.org/web/20231008055305/https://www.eventer.co.il/novaparalellotranslate
Can you find any archived mention of the event prior to Oct 7, 2023? I can’t.
That alone is not proof that it was a staged hoax, of course, but if you could find an older announcement, it would be strong proof against one
There would be too much noise on the web, due to the horrific terrorist attack. I have been doing event organization for decades, so I know how much work is involved in even a small festival. Minimum 6 months lead time, booking artists & performers, the venue, insurance, set design and construction, etc..
Maybe you are so susceptible to conspiracy theories because you want to believe them? Is it more exciting for you than the Occam’s Razor?
You’re fucking retarded.
Israel used the Hannibal directive against their own people, kill hundreds, if not thousand.
Stupid fuck.
Hes talking about he Hannibal directive and how Jewish pedophiles from USA can flee to Israel to escape punishment.
Ohhhh so you're not only a pedophile, you're also obsessed with repeating lies that only a retarded moron would believe.
This is the internet dipship, your pathetic lies only prove that you're a zionist pedophile
No unsterilized womb left behind? <3 Talmudic values
