Since I haven't yet read Enoch, according to Google: "The oldest part of the Book of Enoch is the Apocalypse of Weeks, which is thought to have been written around 167 BC, shortly before the Maccabean uprising. The Book of the Watchers, which contains fragments found in the Qumran caves, is thought to date back to 200–150 BC."
So that's at least several centuries after David.
yes, and we are certain about david's text age too, right? because it has corroborating old documents, i'm guessing, and being the king, of course his story got protected, while the opponents didn't
this is how the message gets mangled and this is why it is absolute BULLSHIT that anyone tells you that the bible is authoritative because it's been a propaganda product of the catholic church for over 1600 years
I guess there comes a point where I just have to trust that "God’s divine power has given us everything we need for life and for godliness" (2 Peter 1:3). Even in regards to which books made it into the accepted canon of Scripture, as well as those left out.
can't think where they appear off the top of my head but i'm pretty sure there is words about how things will be revealed when the time is right... this could be pointed to in the form of the entire apocrypha and pseudoepigraphy - which was lost but really was just hidden from the devil until the time was ready to launch the great reckoning
they have come to light because it is time, they are a sign that it is time, the time is very very close
Maranatha
So you reject God's word? Just because Enoch is Apocrypha does not mean that there is not some truth in it since it was used in the New Testament.
I personally take statement quoted by Jude from Enoch as true, but I don't think that necessarily means he automatically endorsed everything that was written in that book.
> Jude 14–15 (CSB): “Look! The Lord comes with tens of thousands of his holy ones to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly concerning all the ungodly acts that they have done in an ungodly way, and concerning all the harsh things ungodly sinners have said against him.”
God's word is personal and private, the bible is one public compilation of a myriad of documents about wisdom and prescience that has been given to us, one with a provably distorted selection criteria and not just excluded but outright purged elements that survived in far flung reaches beyond the control of the roman catholic agents
i think that there is among the writings of many others from many other places that constitute divinely inspired, and you can compare them to each other to find the connections, like vishnu purana, like corpus hermeticum, like the tao te ching and the writings of chuang tzu, like plato, socrates, there is many who have been inspired to write words that are markers pointing towards God the entire doctrine of The Bible being The Word of God is a catholic/christian doctrine of the churches, not something that is actually even written in them very many times either, at least not unambiguously, since they are compilations how could they possibly be unambiguously self referential!
How can you know God if you reject his word? No idolatry
you know what the latin word for writing is, right? scripto... to scratch or engrave
there is no substitute for direct connection with the divine, anything concrete is intermediate and thus capable of becoming an idol and a fetish that separates you from your divine nature
the catholics allow statues, the orthodox allow icons, the muslims allow The Book and the black cube at the end of the Hajj, the jews have their candelabra and their torah
bruce lee sums up the meaning of "thou shalt have no god before me" and "don't worship graven images" in his monologue about the finger pointing to the moon
if that means you think i am a heretic, that is sad for you
it means i think of you and most religious people as idolators too, it is in the animal nature of humans to worship and follow leaders and codes and identify with collectives, all i can do is just point that out, and i only am going to do it once
You are right. Catholic church was infiltrated by Jews and Jesuits in the early days and fell to identity politics now. There is not Good Church now. They all do non-biblical things. I go by the Bible only.
many good christians are this way nowadays with how utterly brazenly obedient the orthodoxy has been to the plainly evil corruption of pharma, media, intelligence and government
my mother stopped going to church 25 years ago because of it, and she developed a phobia towards reading religious texts and the bible as well as a result, she mostly concerns herself with her daily life and meditating upon it
whatever method you use to find your own connection is a good thing that's why i don't mean it as a slur when i point out that one collection of writings and other writings that were not included does not intrinsically make them incompatible with the Word of God
i personally couldn't read Daniel after i got to the part where it was clear daniel arranged nebuchanezzar's assassination however, that really disturbed me, as did the mention of the watchers
Nebuchadnezzar's assassination? Where is that from, the Book of Enoch? I've never heard of that.
lol, it's before, i dunno... man, really, you need to read the first part up until the death of nebuchanezzar again, obviously
oof with my mind alert to the toxicity of the vegan cult of today it raised my hackles in so many places that when i got to the death of nebuchanezzar i was done, it was like watching leviathan kill behemoth, an orgy of evil
What are you smoking, my friend? 😄
j/k!
lol, haven't smoked anything since like july last year, would be nice for my cramp condition...
seriously though, you gotta try reading it in the context of understanding the machinations of politics
i hated nebuchanezzar, and i actually hated daniel even more because he was even more conniving and tricky, not just plain narcissistic and inhuman
btw, i managed to chase away that problem and ironically the UHT milk that helped me mostly make it go away, was keeping it happening
literally 3 days now no UHT milk and no cramps either now
and i should add, about 5 months since seed oils, and i've resumed some carbs now but very little, a little bread... anyway, point is it seems very clear that the UHT milk and the seed oils and excess carbs were the multiplicity of factors causing the cramps
and i'd been smoking weed for years to keep that away
years.
I believe you mean Belshazzar, not Nebuchadnezzar?
In chapter 5, Daniel revealed that Belshazzar would be murdered when he (with God's help) translated the handwriting on the wall...
There is zero evidence in the text that Daniel was complicit in the murder.
you know of the concept of "subtext" right? also of the idea of "getting the reader to have sympathy with the character"? neither happened for me, i was sus on him from the get go and especially because watchers told him things, like he was being handed the keys to the kingdom by those who decide
for me "watchers" is a red flag word because it almost never appears in the bible meaning good angels, almost always fallen ones
Probably due to my very high view of Scripture, I perceive Daniel to be an honorable man. Consider, for instance, how he refused to compromise his principles to the point of being thrown into a den of hungry lions...😳
That takes considerable moral backbone, something I seriously doubt a murderer posesses.🤔
i will have to try and read it again... if i muddled those identities that may change my view of it
Thanks for articulating your perspective. Mine is considerably more aligned with the traditional canon, though somewhat informed by other sources, but I respect yours.🙏🏻😄👍
