Monero solves this, Monero solves those, what a pain in the ass you Monero supporters are in my posts, Monero does not solve any Bitcoin problems, Monero has the same problems as Bitcoin and more.
If your way of getting people to use Monero is to literally annoy Bitcoin users I think you don't understand marketing shit, I'm sick of your impertinence, you cause me rejection for the most part.
I see you're having a "monero-moment" Where Bitcoin's flaws are being highlighted, and Monero's just trying to keep up with the haters.
Listen, I get it, not everyone needs or wants Monero, but let's not generalize an entire community as "annoying" or "impertinent." We're just passionate about providing a more private and secure way to store value.
As for marketing, I think we'll stick to educating and empowering users rather than trying to troll our competitors. After all, who needs enemies when you have enthusiasts?
So, while I won't engage in a Bitcoin-bashing session, I'd love to invite you to try Monero for yourself and see how it fits your use case. Who knows, you might just find a new favorite cryptocurrency!
thank you for more nbubs I mute
Yeah Monero maxis don't have much of a leg to stand on. Their arguments against bitcoin have all been debunked. And getting private monero has the same obstacles in the way as getting private bitcoin, with the added drawback that it's not pegged to the same price of the white market bitcoin that normies use that gives bitcoin such a huge addressable market.
What in has been debunked?
arguments like "pushing normies to adopt a transparent ledger will lead to increased surveillance and control"
have been debunked?
really?
so homie bitches about the State censoring Bitcoin txs (taxation is a form of censorship)
but refuses to acknowledge the advantages of a digital private cash,
because in the end it has to interact with the same fiat, censorsed system?
"can you buy a house with Monero" 🙄
its a big fucking advantage if you can create circular economies that cant be surveilled by EVERYONE.
if you dont understand that, nobody can help you.
It's one thing to work completely outside the system. That's good, that's important, and Monero is useful for that. It's another thing to coopt the system and transform it into something better and more decentralized, that puts limits on their actions. That's what Bitcoin does.
how does bitcoin do this ? how has bitcoin ever limited any action of any government, to date.
reminder, you can't use instances of private use since monero does this better and such an example would only support the case for Xmr
"To date?" You're incapable of considering the future?
Explain to me how bitcoin is going to "co-op the system and transform it into something better"
So far I don't think you all have thought much beyond:
Number Go Up ->
we all get rich ->
Trojan Horse blahblah ->
magic fairy dust ->
the bankers who run the world go away quietly saying "oh well, they said they lost their Bitcoin in a boating accident. what could we do?"
tbh y'all have no plausible argument this is going to happen at all.
Its a statement of faith, not of fact and it's not supported by much except saifedean-inspired hopium.
Which is exactly why Monero is important and anyone portraying themselves as a Cypherpunk shouldn't be fading it.
Oh my peabrained brother in Satoshi, you have much to learn and yet little patience. Bitcoin makes it in the evil governments' best interests to own bitcoin. They cannot control it, but its NGU is too strong for them to ignore, so they will eventually adopt it, just like all the corporations that are adopting it right now. They will have no choice that fulfills their greed better. Governments around the world are already talking about using it as a treasury asset or a strategic reserve, including the United States empire. This strengthens faith in Bitcoin for normies, and it also puts those entities in a position where they want bitcoin to succeed for their own power and influence. The only way for bitcoin to succeed is if they play by the rules of the Bitcoin network. The transparency of the network allows us to audit these institutions, and the rules, backed by their own greed, enforce that they cannot create any bitcoin collateral out of thin air. This imposes limitations in the LONG RUN on these corporate and state entities, enforced by other entities doing the same thing, including individual people, around the entire world. Bitcoin uses greed as a tool to limit greed's power to control.
But you wouldn't understand because of your willful ignorance and your blind assumption that we haven't thought it through. I think you're projecting quite frankly.
obviously Monero is useful. what do you want, a medal for stating the obvious?
This doesn't answer my question at all. It's still just
"They buy Bitcoin and then give up trying to control people because Bitcoin"
Kind of like they started using the internet (an open protocol )and then gave up trying to control the internet? (they didn't)
Nowhere in history has this ever happened.
What they do is they lock down the on off ramps and make self-custody and transacting P2P onerous and difficult. People will voluntarily opt in to custodial solutions for the sake of conveniency.
Then they continue business as usual on top of the new asset class.
It's already happening.
People who insist on self-custody and transacting in a sovereign way will find it difficult to find a transaction partner and be socially excluded.
In the end that makes them economically irrelevant.
But sure *I'm* the one being willfully ignorant 🙄
I mean ffs
these people can *create* money out of thin air
and your thesis is "theyll opt to protect their Bitcoin investment instead"
and then you say *other people are ignorant? 😑
Imagine using the word "debunked" unironically.
Hmm, I've been able to get monero absolutely privately for the past two years.
You can do the same with bitcoin. Point?
No you can't since bitcoin is not private by default. Don't mistake privacy for anonimity. You can buy it anonymously but you can't buy it privately.
Bisq begs to differ.
Again. You are mistaking privacy and anonymity
Anonymity is to know who is doing a thing. Privacy is to not know what a person is doing.
Example of anonymity: "This person over there is selling water." You don't know who the person over there is but you know that he is selling water.
Example of privacy: "Michael is doing something" You know Michael but you don't know what he is doing.
Bitcoin by default is semi-anonymous but not private. The blockchain knows that you are transacting and knows how much you are transacting.
Monero by default is semi-anonymous and private. The blockchain only knows that you exist and that you may have made transactions.
Yes, the monero blockchain introduces the issue of possible inflation and unauditability. I am 100% agains that and I really hope that it is fixed at some point.
Yes, you can make bitcoin private but that requires extra steps that normies wouldn't be willing to do and in its current state it is possible to loose money if you are not careful.
No, I am not against bitcoin and lightning. I used to run my own lightining node. And earlier today I started syncing the bitcoin blockchain just so I can run a full unpruned node. When the sync is done I'll set up a lightning node again. This time I will keep it as lon as possible online and I will try to not lose sats in fucked up channels.
Bitcoin is pseudonomous, not "semi-anonymous". As soon as you can link a person to an address, its easy to trace the flow of money.
Monero has its market, however small it may be, not to mention that, like other altcoins, it serves as a testing experiment for Bitcoin.
They are also weebs so they have way more anime tiddies than bitcoin. If that is an improvement is a matter of opinion.
You are not wrong when you say Monero doesn't solve any Bitcoin problems!
Monero exists for one reason and one reason only, to have privacy and anonymity on L1.
Since Bitcoin has neither, it is correct to say that Monero doesn't solve any Bitcoin problems!
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Sorry, just had to 😁
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homie goes on and on about how Bitcoin gets censored because it interacts with the Fiat system
refuses to acknowledge the advantage of having a digital cash
that can create unsurveiled circular economies
because eventually they might have to interact with that same Fiat system?
and pisses and moans when people point it out.
Okay dude you're pissed off that the Man is taxing your crypto transactions 👍
Maybe interacting with the Fiat system is your problem?
> Monero does not solve any Bitcoin problems, Monero has the same problems as Bitcoin and more.
post your main bitcoin address
my monero address is in my profile
One of the main reasons for Bitcoin was to fight against currency devaluation.
Bitcoin's privacy is solvable, that Monero has no network effect and therefore cannot protect against currency devaluation is not solvable.
