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I'm rejecting hustle culture. Fuck you. I want to live a fulfilling life that includes a healthy balance of meaningful work, family and friends, and alone time. That's what I want. I don't think that's unreasonable, but hustle culture wants people to believe it is.

ChipTuner 4mo ago 💬 3

Another area we could chat about for hours. Yeah I got sucked in for a bit, honestly sometimes still am. I found that hustling requires you to not have values. I don't mean that in a nihilist way, or that it's all valueless, but I found so much inner conflict that lead to a loss of sales, or angry customers or whatever. Completely antithetical to what they teach you. I've talked about my time being "enrolled" in Cardone "university" (Grant Cardone) though a previous gig. Some stuff is true -> if your main goal is to make lots of money. It doesn't help if you aren't willing to sacrifice your values to get there.

Honestly, I could speak so much on this.

it's a lot of, don't meet your heros scenarios, look at what they're doing not what they tell you to do, and finally a lot of, there is no way you could do what they tell you to do, the way they did it and still compete against everyone else, otherwise everyone else would already be there.

Different goals for different folks i think. I dream of waking up and working hard to produce things of meaning and value, in exchange sacrifice lots of time an experiences. I desire a life free of financial restriction. I don't think you're wrong for wanting that. For me, I have no off button between my work and my hobbies. For 7 years my work and hobbies were the same thing. It's still kind of that way.

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ChipTuner 4mo ago 💬 1

You have to take on a different way of looking at the world. For better or worse. I'm still around many in the space, some really "successful" people, however I think this judgement is true: they simply value the present as a means to an end. Products they produce and so on. They can add value, but it's still a means to an end that is to make them money. I do know I over-value the present and hold on to things too much though.

Matt 4mo ago 💬 2

There's really no single ratio for everyone. My main objection to the general culture is that I should sacrifice for others. Doing what I need to for those I love and myself is not a sacrifice. Busting my nuts so someone else can get rich (with little gain for myself) is a sacrifice. Honestly, it's just more of the fiat way of life. Work work work forever and still die broke. That's what I see for most people in that culture. It's super fiat. We can be high quality producers without running ourselves into the ground for someone else. That's mostly what I mean. I don't mean the people who choose to do that for themselves. But that's a super small set of the culture. Like NFL type shit. It's not the average.

Matt 4mo ago

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What you described is meaningful work for you and your family. You aren't sacrificing your life just to get nowhere.

Matt 4mo ago 💬 1

But I do reject the notion for MY life that I need to maximize every waking minute of my life for someone else or for some goal. Now I've also frontloaded my life in my 20s to get to this point. It's not like I was owed this mentality. But I did that consciously with the intent of doing what I want to do with my time (we all have to do shit we may not want to at some point, that's not what I mean).

If you were sacrificing your values (family, health, etc) hustling and bustling, that's what I would mean. People get married and then work so much they never see their spouse or kids. End up divorced or sick. Stuff like that. I don't want that. I'm okay with being a millionaire instead of a billionaire if it means I can be happy and healthy. That's what I mean. But this is about ME. My definitions and values aren't necessarily for YOU. Hustle culture in general isn't for ME.

ChipTuner 4mo ago 💬 1

> But I do reject the notion for MY life that I need to maximize every waking minute of my life for someone else or for some goal.

This... Learning this myself. Personal topic for another time, but yes.

> If you were sacrificing your values (family, health, etc) hustling and bustling, that's what I would mean. People get married and then work so much they never see their spouse or kids. End up divorced or sick. Stuff like that. I don't want that. I'm okay with being a millionaire instead of a billionaire if it means I can be happy and healthy. That's what I mean. But this is about ME. My definitions and values aren't necessarily for YOU. Hustle culture in general isn't for ME.

I can't agree more.

ChipTuner 4mo ago

We live in a culture with low average self esteem, heavily dependent on and encouraging external validation. Learning to rely less on the external world to provide your happiness is not easy, but I think is essential and possibly the only real way to break out of the rat race. That an financial literacy XD

ChipTuner 4mo ago

Oh yeah I understand now! An aside, I recently got into sports for the players. I still believe a lot is up to chance, but I still admire the dedication and effort to the performance. It's not something many can/will do.

Back on your topic though: I tend to see that in the labor/construction field. Work your satchel off 80+ hour weeks, avoid seeing your family, never around to help friends etc. Fiat hourly rates even with O/T have the same spending habits and so on. There is a difference in the low time preference hustle if that's what you're referring to. Just work extra hours, or maybe flip a car or something on the side.

Matt 4mo ago 💬 1

Definitions are important with these topics. I would define it clearly before getting too deep into a conversation, but I think people know what I mean in general. It's a constant fight or flight state that I simply don't want to be in. I'm not anti-work though. I do work hard and have my shit in order so I can have this attitude. Hustle culture is a rat race to me. If it aligns with your values, I don't consider it hustle culture. But like you said, we don't all have the same values. Some have none. I seriously doubt most people living hustle culture lives actually want to be living that way. High performers are exceptions, but even they probably have regrets if you dig deeply enough.

ChipTuner 4mo ago

> Definitions are important with these topics

agreed.

> It's a constant fight or flight state that I simply don't want to be in

It is, I lived it for a long time. Still do although things are changing.

> Hustle culture is a rat race to me

It is, just a different currency. Well still time I guess, but higher ante

> I seriously doubt most people living hustle culture lives actually want to be living that way

Agreed. I think it's generally response to something from their childhood and the narrative that manifests, good or bad. For some and example might be growing up in extreme poverty and a revolt against it can lead to a narrative that encourages the person to never be poor again, and "Im willing to sacrifice everything to stay away"

I think we all have a narrative we repeat, some stronger than others.