I know someone thinking about running open source services for people as a business.

Do you know anyone who would be willing to pay to have someone set up & manage a Nextcloud server, Jitsi, Matrix, ActivityPub, GitLab, Jellyfin, OpenVPN, BTC/LND, or any other service?

Or have "free" services like GSuite, Zoom, and the rest made this business model impossible.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this. It seems like something the world needs, but not sure if the economics work in these times.

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"Permanent things are difficult."

That's all there is to it

Personally I feel that if the user is waking up to the need for self-hosting then they're on the path for self-hosted hardware over hosted options. It's not that free services have made the model impossible it's that free options for stack management ( nostr:nprofile1qqs9df4h2deu3aae83fmet5xmrlm4w5l9gdnsy3q2n7dklem7ezmwfcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz3rhwvaz7tekd3jks6rev3ehyargv9nk66tnxe6h2dn5w43kuerk0fmnwcm4vfc8z6mgweu8j7fhdfhkjmmrxs6k66mnwg6x2cty9ehku6t0dchsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wghxjmnxduhs5nd6j2 and nostr:nprofile1qqsw5t3us9xs3gmclzjm37hvk2yy6pv9t96utjjttsj794hexc5x79qpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcphnzge ) take the complexity of hosting to near 0.

The wife and I are switching over to a more nomadic lifestyle. It's kinda hard to fit my server rack in my carry on luggage.

Sounds like you could use some remote servers so you csn enjoy your travels

My 5 sats:

- What is the value proposition? What does a user win from an opensource sw, if they dont run it themselves? Who is the target audiance.

- Normal users: They are fine I think with the generally available solutions. So for them, something that is run dedicated for them may only be appealing if this is a feature they dont get elsewhere.

- Companies: They are anyway paying some stuff, or hosting their own solutions, so you could maybe lift some weight over their shoulders. Or help them start on a new service.

- Privacy minded people who are lazy to host things: They could benefit from this, but then you need privacy guarantees.

I think about this quite often as I’ve thought about opening a hacker space that teaches stuff like this… but my local library has a hacker space and the only things that used are the studios and vhs conversion stations… no one uses the 3d printers or glow forge… I do believe there is a small but growing percent of the general population that is willing to pay to be taught how todo self hosting and similar stuff…

My local makerspace is doing classes and grant money is payingbl for the instructor's time (in the class, not all the prep time). I'm doing one on Meshtastic (w/ some 3d printing), there's a pottery one, stained glass, switching from Win 10 to Linux, and more.

The space is run by donations from the community. A fair amount of it comes from people with high paying tech jobs who just want to see spaces like this exist.

Honestly, the much bigger lift is dedicating hours every week to hosting open hours, more hours every month having a programming meeting (what events to have, who is willing to run then) and monthly business meetings (finances, how are we going to get the word out about programming, member drives, etc.). We have two people that do most of this for the entire space. We need more volunteers and that seems to be the thing in the shortest supply.

This business exists and it's called start9

I'm not talking about a company who sells you a server that you have to configure, patch, punch holes in your router's firewall, run into massive headaches when two apps want to use the same port, etc.

Besides, anyone can use yunohost for free if they want the supposedly easy to use solution.

I'm talking about the option to have someone take that load off of people.

If I understand correctly, you are implying that there's no market for such a service. Either people will use commercial services that make money off being data brokers, or they will set up a server in their home and do everything themselves. No market for a middle ground. Is that correct?

something like this? https://eggstr.com/

Yes! Pretty much exactly like that but beyond nostr + bitcoin. TY for the pointer.

If they move forward with this, I might suggest they only focus on things that eggstr doesn't provide and point people there for those things.

I'm sure there is a market for that, by the margins get slimmer each year. Start9 is basically boomer proof. Once clearnet comes out, i anticipate it'll be monkey proof

Thank you for the feedback

this sounds like pikapods.com

BitTasker is being built for this exact purpose

#p2p #earnbtc #decentralized

https://bittasker.com/

Oh, this could be very interesting. I'll hop on the waitlist to see how this is going to work.

I'd be happy to collaborate on this and determine if what you're building is what I'd want (as a potential consumer) or what my buddy will want (as a potential service provider).

If you're not already planning an infographic to show payment processing costs, I'd suggest comparing all combos of "wants to pay with {bitcoin,fiat}" and "want to be paid in {bitcoin,fiat}".

For example, if someone only accepts fiat and someone wants to pay in bitcoin, currently that means paying 1.5% to paypal to convert from BTC to fiat, paying fees to xfer via paypal (I think it's 2.5% + 49¢) and then the recipient getting their money ~3 business days later. If they can pay in BTC and have you convert it, I'm guessing you will likely do so for less than 3.5%. It makes the case for accepting BTC even if you don't want to have anything to do with it, and it seems like these people are part of your target market.

Thank you for the feedback and looking forward to seeing you onboard!!

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