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The full revelation of the God of the universe is realized in the 2nd person of the trinity, Jesus Christ. The Holy Scriptures point to and help unravel this revelation, but Christianity is not a "religion" of the book (like rabbinic judaism and Islam both are) rather is fully realized and experienced in the body of Christ, the continuation of the incarnation, the Church.

Saint Matthew covers the ways in which humanity can experience the God of the universe starting in chapter 5 of his gospel (the beatitudes).

These conversations are tough via the internet and I am not blessed to apologize for Christianity, but objective truth does exist and truth is a person-truth is God incarnate, truth is Jesus Christ.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

Yeah, none of than language has ever made much sense to me & no one can ever explain it in a way that actually connects to anything.

The closest I have gotten is that as a result of evolution we have a triune brain, so it might make sense for us to feel that there is a trinity of sorts within us.

I see how the story of Jesus is incredibly important in understanding the nature of man & the divide between good & evil. And that awareness of our own nature leads to more intelligent & desirable behaviors. But most of the rhetoric around the whole thing just seems like parroted ritualistic nonsense that lots of people spout but no one actually understands.

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Lew☦️ 1y ago

Evolution is absurd at face but, like most everything we have been fed, has been accepted and has led to the deep atheism the world holds to in this post modern age.

Everything the world teaches has, at its root, the goal of denying both the incarnation and resurrection of the God-Man. That is why, 2000 years into the church, we have SO many absurdities around us. Denying Logos creates chaos.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

I mean, farmers have been selectively breeding desired traits into animals to the point of producing livestock that is completely unlike their wild counterparts. People have stressed simple organisms in labs & used selective reproduction to create things that survive in completely different conditions & consume completely different substances for fuel, so it makes perfect sense to me that changing conditions & sexual selection would produce similar results across millions or billions of years.

I think the idea that some imaginary sky personality exists & designed & made everything with the snap of imaginary fingers is ridiculous, but I am not an athiest. I just think God is far more complex than the cartoon nonsense we were taught as kids. God is in the laws & the structure of the universe that set evolution & the creation of all that is into motion.

Lew☦️ 1y ago

I dont think any reasonable person would deny the reality of species adaptation (foxes having particular ear sizes, birds having different beaks, humans having diffetent colored skin, etc) but species moving from one form to another is absurd.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

I really don't think it is, it's just hard for people to grasp because it takes such an incredibly long time, and because everything as it exists now is equally evolved & adapted to fit its environmental niche. We didn't evolve from any of the monkeys that exist today, we evolved from something that came before both monkeys & humans.

Look at how dramatically different domesticated dogs are from any sort of wild dog. Bears are basically just a big dog. Life does crazy things in response to natural forces.

DRE 1y ago

That theory hinges on the fact, more like the assumption, that everything came out of a primordial soup. If you examine the odds of that happening it’s infinitesimally small. Might be as small as guessing a private key honestly. Imo it takes more faith to believe that life came out of some primordial soup than it being the result of a creator.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

I think it's the idea that there is some creator that created life in some way that violates all the rules of existence that really makes no sense. The wildly unlikely events that accomplish amazing things is how God appears to work in the here & now. How likely is it for some anonymous guy to create a new monetary protocol that solves all of our problems without taking any credit for it?

Highly unlikely things are at least plausibly possible, magical ressurections & people made from dirt & ribs are not possible. It's just magical thinking in an effort to wave away all the complexity of life. Make the stories real, take the magic out of them, & they become much more meanigful & they make a lot more sense.

Is it more meaningful for Superman to take a bullet for you, or for your dad? The more you deify Jesus the less meaningful the story becomes. But of course kings & normies all want him deified, because kings don't want normies to believe they can stand up to authority & change things, & normies don't want the responsibility or burden of having to stand against authorities for what is right. "Yes but he was God, who are you?" "Yes but he was God, who am I?" And obviously when we hold people up for doing great things they just naturally tend to become larger than life.

Apatight⚡️ 1y ago

Well said, and the questions and curiosity as opposed to superstition should drive us all.

Sedj 1y ago

Try this on - trinity is three realms or dimensions of being; heavenly god is pure energy, realm of heavens, undiscernable by man. Beyond the physical universe we can observe. Jesus (in christian myths) represents the physical realm, the physical observable universe of matter, time and space. The "holy spirit" is the interface or intersection between the two, think field energy. It is also boundary region between the two realms, neither fully energy or matter.

Although triune brain theory is interesting too, but probably itself a product of natural thinking in threes, three-dimensional, and many more concepts with two poles and a boundary region between them. Good and evil are often seen this way, with some gray area between. I think they are just as artificial as any triune or trinity, just a product of man's conceptualization of his own reality.

a source familiar with the matter 1y ago

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