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not all nodes need to be full archival nodes. that would be bad for decentralization.

Man.. you've lost the plot, honestly.

Alright, Will, I'll definitely respect your argumentation. Keep going at it for sure. Its the way things should be. My only wish/advice is, you also take an honest look at the reaction from node runners and take that into account as you support a change on core.

If you ask me, looking at the reaction from an HONEST point of view, it tells me a substantial amount noderunners disagree with whatever logic you and core devs are presenting.

And despite whatever you might think, "a substantial amount of noderunners" disagreeing on a changr should raise serious concerns about that change.

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jb55 3mo ago

how have i lost the plot exactly. Most people disagreeing with me don’t seem to understand the technical nuance of the spam issues at play.

I believe utxospam is much worse than op_return spam, so i am acting accordingly.

If “pleb” noderunners disagree then so be it. They can continue living in an alternate reality that doesn’t affect me.

zaytun 3mo ago

The "lost the plot" part was directed at the note I replied to. Obviously all nodes being full nodes is not bad for decentralization.

I think/hope your rationale is -- if all nodes HAVE to be full nodes --> there would be fewer full nodes --> which would be bad for decentralisation.

But your phrasing is easily misinterpreted to something that sounds like people should prefer to run pruned nodes. Thats the way I read it the first time.

My point with respecting the signal from a substantial amount of noderunners is, since the problem the proposed change seeks to fix and the response is as controversial as it is, no change should be implemented. A better fix should be given time to be thought of.

jb55 3mo ago

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pruned nodes are full nodes

zaytun 3mo ago

You get to decide your own semantics, but for yourself only.

I'd argue its silly to think pruned node = full node and full node != full archival node. Why have a mode called pruned then!

Obviously full node = full archival node and PRUNED NODE IS PRUNED and cannot serve IBD.

jb55 3mo ago

full means fully validating. Its not “me deciding my own semantics “. Its literally what it means

Jeff Swann 3mo ago

Utxo spam which is cheaper to produce will not go away because you invited op return spam, you will get more of both.