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I agree with most of you guys. The "ad for zap" model is bound to happen. It's just another iteration of "influencer" culture with product placements. You pay me money and I will blast or shill your product to my followers. So the problem is long standing and big problem.

I can see nostr:npub12rze589jx0gg6kslkjfl2gxxkhtlw73t5shyve5qrglrv6c2qflqejj7ns point and I believe it's fair as getting traction as a small business is hard. So why should their be a double standard?

I think reading over this thread it's not so much this question, but how advertising is conducted. I agree with both nostr:npub14qz92uedt0a8jte8jqg63jr3s5cc99cej36jh883z6tprlu354uqqe2q26 and nostr:npub1wtuh24gpuxjyvnmjwlvxzg8k0elhasagfmmgz0x8vp4ltcy8ples54e7js that blatant shilling isn't cool and is a reason why legacy social media is insufferable.

So where do we find a balance?

If I put on my entrepreneur/sales hat I think as a group we must reexamine the approach of making a sale and how we sell products. Applying the traditional sales tactics on savvy consumers like that who inhabit #nostr is going to lead to ruin as a business owner and blow up any sort of goodwill they may have had for us.

I have long been a advocate of "building in public" and the "Orbit Model" of marketing and to me this is one of the paths forward aside from nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n approach with zapvertising. If I was to build a product/service I want my clients to see my journey when I'm building up my business. I want my product/service to become a story that I have shared with the users that have followed along. My failures, my success, I want the community to see that. When it launches I want to share in the milestone with the community I have built. Doing it this way, to me it's no longer an ad, but I did/doing something cool and it's up to you if your buy something from me or not when that milestone is reached.

So I think their is a right and wrong way to advertise on here and I think those who do it right will be rewarded and the ones that don't will be muted by the very client/community base they are trying to build through consensus. That is the nature of this protocol.

Sikto 2y ago

Excellent points:

“…have long been a advocate of "building in public" and the "Orbit Model" of marketing and to me this is one of the paths forward aside from @Blockstream approach with zapvertising. If I was to build a product/service I want my clients to see my journey when I'm building up my business. I want my product/service to become a story that I have shared with the users that have followed along. My failures, my success, I want the community to see that. When it launches I want to share in the milestone with the community I have built. Doing it this way, to me it's no longer an ad, but I did/doing something cool and it's up to you if your buy something from me or not when that milestone is reached.”

What you have written here is exactly why nostr and its clients resonate so much with me. I have been here for many iterations. For the successes and the failures. I am invested in the success and am willing to contribute to grow it and protect it. The best thing is that it feels like we get immediate feedback from the devs. They throw it out here for us to play with, we give feedback, and then they adapt. It builds a social fabric that is resistant and builds loyalty to clients and the protocol.

Grass roots, transparent, shared goals and contributions from a multitude of devs with different ideas. We get to hitch a ride and feel like we are in it to win it.

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Merdellow 2y ago

You got it👍

Only other additional thoughts I will add is for the most part people on here are a naturally skeptical bunch, higher IQ and we have a low tolerance for bull 💩. That's the demographic I see. The obnoxiousness of shilling that occurs on other social media will get you tarred and feathered here as to us as a demographic it feels like you are insulting our intelligence and we see right through the sales pitch to make a quick buck and bounce.

#nostriches value quality and people who are invested in the protocol for the long haul and the stuff already touched upon above.

Sikto 2y ago

💯