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Sorry guys you both don't have any idea about environmental science, sure you never studied in these fields. 😅

Of course is CO2 necessary for life, but you're trying to provoke a wrong and shortage picture of the (bad) side effects of CO2 in the atmosphere!

So polluting the atmosphere with more artificial CO2 isn't cheerful.

Prove me otherwise if you can!

BTC_P2P 2y ago

You’re presenting a fallacious argument. You haven’t shown any evidence or made any material argument for your case. You have actually only agreed with the reality that I presented initially - co2 is necessary for life and good for life on earth.

There is NO difference between a co2 molecule created from burning a hydrocarbon and the co2 molecules already present within earth at its formation. This is factual. Stop typing anti-scientific gibberish and either present valid and credible arguments or be quiet. Better yet, accept the reality that co2 isn’t creating any crisis on this planet, and change your models to fit scientific reality.

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jon r 2y ago

Preach!

BTC_P2P 2y ago

Takes some work to figure out but damn this climate apocalypse propaganda bothers me. Cow farts and car exhaust change the weather? Don’t make me laugh.

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

Dude, you can be ignorant! Unfortunately there is nothing to laugh about.

Of course is the human species having on big impact on earth!

- deforestation

- massproduction and monoculture

- emissions of additional greenhouse gases from industry, mobility and agriculture

To believe that is all nothing and weather change is just because of normal anomalies is just silly and ignorant.

High Civilizations in the past failed because of their ignorance and arrogance! You can't prove me otherwise!

And your pseudoscience is no evidence at all because you try to put some specific facts to draw a fake puzzle and ignore the whole picture!

Touch you nose and ask yourself if maybe You are the one who is wrong here!

BTC_P2P 2y ago

There is no refuting the ice core data. Give up. Accept reality.

There have been forest fires that burned whole continents. There have been volcanoes that plunged the earth into multiple year long winters where most of the vegetation on the planet died. This planet is incredibly resilient and has bounced back from natural catastrophes many orders of magnitude worse than anything humans can ever do.

The myopic and unfounded alarmist agenda are fictions made up by bad actors and grifters. Hope you can look at the actual evidence and figure it out. Best of luck.

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

You just describe it yourself.

The natural events which happened in the past surely where not a nice thing for life! Eventhough it regenerates.

Surely we shouldn't panic or overdramatice about but definitely we can't ignore it!

And propaganda about this is in my opinion that government tell you that YOU should change to have an impact and that YOU should feel bad when you drive an old diesel car instead of a new tesla. Here I agree with you because that is just greenwashing and the industries itself with big emissions should change something.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

The point is that co2 is not the cause of the earth’s climate change. The climate is a dynamical system that is always changing. The earth warms, then it cools. Over and over and over.

Nothing humans can do about it. The ice core data plainly shows that what’s happening is completely normal climate behavior given the historical fluctuations.

We’re made to feel like some apocalypse is upon us when it is nothing but normal climate behavior and nothing to do with co2.

Atmospheric co2 can be much higher with zero negative repercussions as William Happer points out quite well. Plants will just grow a lot faster.

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

I didn't deny it that there is fluctual change of climate. I agree on that. I don't agree that humanity has no impact on it!

And YES I also have to talk about other things than CO2 be a se it's just a piece of it which influencees our climate! Don't you agree?

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

William Happer is a speaker of the companies financed thinktank CO2-coalation (mainly USA) who deny climate change without having consensus with scientific reasearchers worldwide.

He may be an expert on atom physics but surely he isn't about climate, biodiversity and bioantropology!

You are the one falling for propaganda!

Do you think that all the evidence and reasearchers worldwide are lying and that there is a big conspiracy going on to just make you spend money and be in panic? Come on!

Don't be a troll of that army!

You are Bitcoiner as I am and surely it's good to be critical with things coming frome above. And I agree that some individuals try to panic about and try to make monetary profit!

But to deny climate change provoked of human influence is a whole different thing and stupid.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

It is you who has been tricked, fren.

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

That's all? No primary source of the scientific paper/graph you mentioned? No comment about William Happer being paid by fossil intustry thinktank/lobby or that he isn't even scientist about climate or bioanthropology and just about "atomic science" ?

I really appreciate to have conversation with you about this, because it is important to be open and talk and I do respect you and your opinion!

For me it's just really hard to understand how you can complain about "mainstream science" or "mainstream media" but put poor effort on the reliability of the other shown "research" or opinion of people like William happer!

Does it just suit your feeling and opinion and that's why he is more reliable?

Again, I agree with you that nowadays you get the feeling that people from government and other elite is telling bullshit to force some political/financial direction. But it's a big difference and important to be critical to both sides! Even to bitcoin! It's important to reflect yourself and proof your evidence! Of course we both hope and think about a better future under bitcoin! But to be honest! We don't know for sure this will happen at the end!

I am open to continue this anytime! :)

BTC_P2P 2y ago

Oh an article published in nature isn’t enough for you 😂

You can easily find the source material. It’s the largest most high-res ice core data ever conducted 😂

It’s sad how denial clouds your ability to think properly.

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

Dude, stop fooling around!

You have no idea about this researchers, you just catch up some pieces which suit your opinion/feeling but aren't a fact! You don't act like you have any deeper understanding of the topic!

I read the article belonging to your shown figur! the whole abstract, the results and the conclusion of this scientific work does not at all conclude that CO2 have no effect on climate. Show me where it is mentioned! 😏

The author make some conclusions and explained himself to keep caution in interpretation of the results! 👍😉

You have indeed no idea what this paper was actually all about! This paper is about tracer experiments an the interpretation of the shown results of two ice cores from Greenland! It doesn't even say that CO2 has no influence on climate! 😅

Beside this, So you think these two ice cores are the true evidence and all the other 10000 scientific works about climate change are conspiracies/propaganda?

I give you that, you are a strong believer!

You should know it better #donttrustveriy. That's how scientific work is working! You never wrote a scientific paper. You never had to defense or puplic a scientific paper in front of other scientist and discuss your results!

You acting like Shitcoinery telling and selling nonsense!

BTC_P2P 2y ago

On William Happer: he is exceptionally qualified to talk about co2. It is a topic directly tied to his field of expertise.

You think the majority of scientists who mindlessly go along with the “co2 scary” fiction don’t have major conflict of interest? Their jobs, livelihood and families literally depend on it.

If you strip away your biases toward Happer and listen to the content and hard scientific realities of the things he demonstrates you wouldn’t be able to just dismiss what he says.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

There have at least 15 warming periods in the Holocene with greater amplitude (higher absolute temps in the atmosphere) and at least 15 warming periods with greater rate of change (got warmer faster). No human contribution to co2 or elevated levels at all.

This is fact shown by reliable ice core science. If you refuse to accept the science, that’s on you, but the data is the data. Be well.

jon r 2y ago

Your doing Gods work here. I appreciate it.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

You can lead a horse to water...

Crazy to see how credible information literally can’t be internalized by this guy bc he is so hopelessly brainwashed.

I presented the facts. No way I can make anyone accept them.

You get it though. Be well fren.

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

BTC_P2P 2y ago

That graphic proves my point. The climate fluctuations have nothing to do with co2. There is no correlation to co2 and warming.

See farther back on the ice core data shows significantly greater rate of change and amplitude of earth’s atmospheric temps with zero human industrial activity. How do you explain that? Hmmmmmmm

Dr3sNoir 2y ago

Okay let's go deepdive! Give me the primary source of your graph and I will look up the paper and who made it!

I think you just fall for the same fake like cigarette industry produced in the 1980!

BTC_P2P 2y ago

Here it is, yet again, in better resolution: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22241-w/figures/1

The current warming cycle doesn’t even show at all on ice core records.

Dozens of warming events that are at least an order of magnitude greater in amplitude and with significantly greater rate of change than what’s happening today.

I’m sorry you’ve been tricked. You’re looking at climate data by vested interested (who want to scare and control you) in a much too localized fashion. The timescales need to be tens of thousands of years at minimum. Which ice cores provide with 99% accuracy.

You can stop being scared and panicking now.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

Btw you are moving the goal post. This discussion is entirely about co2.

Watch William Happer on the matter: https://youtu.be/fHSOLBv3tTk