Silvergate bank got you down?

Solutions like Hodl Hodl fix this. Peer to peer, instant self custody, no KYC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmyYxrZM3Ms

Some other potential ideas if you'd like to try more:

Robosats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_wzRz_BDI

Bisq

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LyEKA5Iq9I

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Peach Bitcoin is stellar, but only European currencies at present

Yeah I've heard great things!

Which sees more volume, Hodl Hodl or Bisq?

In my experience I've had more luck on HodlHodl finding offers. Bisq is also a little more cumbersome to use. Still appreciate everything they do, but HodlHodl is much more straight forward. Robosats is pretty badass too.

Thanks, I’ll check both of those out. I’ve used bisq… seems there’s a lot more volume in euros and Monero. USD, not as much. I agree with cumbersome.

Really instructive content! It would be awesome to have the option for lightning-to-fiat on HODLHODL

Thanks for this. I’ve always just sold thru Coinbase when I need a little Fiat. But it sounds like HodlHodl might be a better option.

Do buyers on HodlHodl care if my BTC was KYC’d when it was originally purchased?

Nope, all they care about is that they get BTC! After all, your KYC will no longer apply to them after the coins exchange hands. Plus they can always run it through coinjoin to break any links.

i am using wasabi wallet.

i know there is a big debate about wasabi or whirlpool. wasabi looked always bad in this discussion. i also didnt like that they changed output sizes. but now i am fine with it and its just simple.

i want to try joinmarket but i use jam on #start9 and i am waiting for an update on jam so that i can recover over the GUI and dont need to touch command line.

Yeah I primarily use Whirlpool at this point. I enjoy Jam but it's not my default. Haven't used Wasabi in a while now, but the new UI is at least nice looking.

is there anywhere that you can buy BTC with physical (not digital) amazon gift cards?

Have to thank you Ben. Thanks to you I’ve moved away from Gemini and Exodus and onto Hodlhodl, sparrow, whirlpool and cold card.

I love hearing stuff like this. Thanks for letting me know and kudos on leveling up!

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I find the 5-10% premium on non-KYC bitcoin a bit off-putting. Are there any solutions to this?

Until more people decide to sell that way, not really. I tend to consider the non KYC sats as the real price, and sats on an exchange you get at a discount at the expense of all your data

I need to tell you thank you. You video are the reason i have a node.

Is it counterintuitive to use kyc payment methods for the btc? like Zelle, Strike, venmo etc…is one of these better than others for privacy?

On Bisq try posting an offer to buy BTC. You can set the percentage above or below current market price that you’re willing to pay. Post an offer to buy at or just below market price and it’ll get accepted by someone eventually. I’ve bought at/below market price on Bisq. The whole 5-10% premium thing isn’t a thing if you don’t want it to be.

The mempool.space project has a Bisq tab on their website. Go there and look at the latest trades section to confirm. There are trades above market price (these tend to be people putting up offers to sell) and trades below market price (these tend to be people putting up offers to buy).

Try Bisq, it’s not hard and not expensive. There is no Bisq premium when done right.

The site is https://bisq.markets.

I understand that the current price listed for each fiat is simply the price that was paid in the latest trade in that currency. You’ll see some fiat prices are below the equivalent “mainstream” market price. This means the latest trade was likely a fiat seller putting up an offer to buy BTC below market price and a BTC seller accepting that trade.

This might be a stupid question, but if someone bought KYC btc off an exchange and then sold it on bisq to me, would that still be considered nonKYC for me? #KYC #plebchain

I would say yes that would be a KYC free purchase. KYC/AML is the requirement for regulated institutions to collect personal information about customers. This makes it easy for state actors to identify you should they wish. Buying through KYC channels means next to zero anonymity for you. The smart plan is to be increasing your anonymity around purchases as much as possible. Things like mining and cash purchases (possible on Bisq) give you a very high degree of anonymity but it is hard to build a substantial stack in this manner. Buying through a p2p exchange using bank transfers is far more straightforward than mining and cash purchase say, but reduces your anonymity to a degree. Your counterparty will know your name and bank details, your bank will have record of the transfer as will the other party’s bank, though it would not be immediately obvious what the purpose of the transfer was. Someone would need access to the BTC seller’s xpub to be able to infer which UTXO was involved.

My point being that using Bisq puts a significantly higher barrier in front of state actors looking to confiscate or punish. In a 6102 scenario states will go for the 99% that used regulated exchanges. Don’t be part of the 99%.

When introducing interested friends and family explain this to them. If they want to dabble a small amount but want a path of least resistance don’t let an exchange be that path. As an example buy through Bisq on their behalf and send some sats to a BlueWallet on their phone.

In that sense what’s to stop myself from sending my exchange bought KYC BTC to another address that I own. I can say that it was lost and got hacked, coins were transferred out. Technically the new address would be ‘KYC-free’? Maybe this is extremely dumb haha but tell me why.

If you’ve already gone through KYC then it’s trivial for the state to know you’re a current or past owner of bitcoin. If you can’t prove you’ve sold it they would likely assume you still have it. If you have a government that fights rather than embraces bitcoin that’s a stressful situation to find yourself in. Additionally, data leaks from hacking or a release as part of bankruptcy proceedings could reveal your address and the fact you own bitcoin. Not something you’d want to have happen.

If you’ve bought on a KYC exchange I’d recommend doing what the likes of #[4] recommend and sell through the same exchange again then buy elsewhere.

Bisq can be cheaper than a centralised exchange and have no excessive fees to withdraw either.

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Yo set up your wallet. I want to zap you to show my appreciation

Thanks. I’ll look into it soon, all very new and promising isn’t it?

Where can you buy non-KYC Bitcoin?