I'll bite but I bet it won't hit the same as if she continued the discussion with you

You're basically relying on the assumption trickery doesn't exist to justify the idea greed doesn't exist, as far as I can tell?

I used to be a delivery driver. People paid for the food I delivered, including the cost to pay me as an employee delivering it, plus tipped me. Meanwhile, I was polluting the environment with an entire car just to move food around safely because other people with entire cars wouldn't let something like a motorcycle be safe. I trust the food I delivered was of decent quality by this shitty era's standards, but via pollution, my job was to kill my customers and everyone they love while relying on them not knowing I'm doing that so they not only pay me, but tip me as well. I didn't tell every customer "you really shouldn't tip me, I'm taking away your food in the long run, it's a tragedy that you couldn't cook for yourself." I don't expect delivery drivers to tell me that every time they deliver to me either. And I also tip them worthless dollars hoping it will help them survive. Doesn't mean I think they're good people or adding anything to society. They're random people who may or may not be good but are currently unable to find a way to survive without being part of the military industrial complex's petrodollar economy.

Dollars are worthless pieces of paper anyway, maybe in an economy based on something valuable it would be more likely for the economic exchanges to reflect value and people would be better at accurately assessing value instead of clinging to delusions.

I'm sure you're more open to learning than laeserin realizes. I think she sees you have disingenuous thoughts and she assumes you're always willing to argue disingenuously but I notice you might actually be trying to get out of the habit. If you respectfully keep suggesting you'd like to try talking to her my gut feeling is she's the type to try again

> If you respectfully keep suggesting you'd like to try talking to her my gut feeling is she's the type to try again

At this point, it seems incumbent upon her to convince me that she's a worthy conversation partner.

Someone who engages for hours in discussions only to suddenly snap out of nowhere and mute me / call me an assshole. I was truly caught off guard. It was clear to me that we were pretty far apart and not understanding each other well yet, but I didn't realize it had come to that.

Talking with people who react that way is at best disappointing and at worst a waste of time that tends to have the side-effect of adding an unjustified "stink" to oneself in the eyes of onlookers. (I'm now "another one of those guys laeserin had to mute". cool.)

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If she takes you off mute, it probably wouldn't be to keep insulting you. You low key know she's a worthy conversationalist 👀

I'm actually not sure her and I are a good conversation match. My conclusion at this point is that we're so far apart on metaphysics, and her worldview is so colored by her metaphysics, that we can barely talk about anything.

I said as much here:

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I heard all that but I believe the truth is you're both trying to get more rational.

lol maybe.

according to my wife if I became even more insistent on **attempting** to be rational I'd be totally impossible to live with.