I see a lot of couples my age not wanting to have kids, arguing that they chose a lifestyle that is incompatible with having them (?). They'd rather live an hedonistic life than build a family. I bet they'll regret it.
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They can't possible understand your side. They haven't felt the love that becoming a parent gives to you. But, it's their choice and their life 🤷♂️
I have to respect their choice, true. But I wish they had children since these are good people, educated, financially well-off and I think they'd be amazing parents.
Same. I hear so much fear in their voices.
Wish I was better at giving 'em some confidence and love.
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Same, I'll try to not judge them but it makes me sad that great people don't want to have kids. They'd be amazing parents.
Humans weren't designed to desire kids, they're designed to desire sex and the sex results in kids.
We're having to evolve to handle reliable contraception, and much of humanity is not going to make it.
Depends on your beliefs on what happened in the garden 😉
none of these no-kids people are going to be happy they did this when they get to my age
the propaganda against reproduction is obscene
be fruitful and multiply
not "temporarily chemically sterilize yourself so you can have all the sex and none of the family"
hard facts, agree 100%
I married young and had kids young, before I was sensible enough to know better, as I lack impulse control. Same reason I bought Bitcoin and quit college to help build Nostr.
The combination of low impulse control and a bizarrely-low time-preference feels like a superpower, sometimes, to be honest.
In hindsight, I always think, Wow, that was a good decision. At the moment, everyone is like, Are you some sort of an idiot, or something?
80 IQ 🫡
My self-confidence when Silberengel suggests she isn’t smart.
Well, I wanted to buy $3000 worth of Bitcoin, when I first heard about it, in 2010, but everyone around me had such a meltdown about it, that I decided to be sensible, for a change, and buy silver instead.
Everyone was extremely relieved. Finally taking some good advice, instead of just being my crazy, impulsive self.
For years, they were like,
...and then she wanted to spend all of her birthday money on Bitcoin! Just one crazy idea, after another! 😂
They've all shut up about that, now.
I was thinking about this, while potting plants, this week. I really wanted an apple tree, and I wanted one *now*, so I just went and cut open an organic apple and planted three seeds in a flower pot.
Totally stupid, right, as I could wait and go buy an apple tree on some other weekend and quickly see results. My MIL thought it was retarded. She's like, but you won't have a real tree for years!
But I don't mind waiting 10 years for a tree. I just really wanted to plant it, immediately, so that I can cross "plant apple tree" off my mental To Do list.
Just have to water and feed it, for a decade or so. No problem.
I think this is typical Crazy Inventor personality, where you'll suddenly need to _do something_ and you just go for it and totally sperg out. 😂 I always do that with gardening, cooking, relationships, programming, etc. All in or wander off.
Our apple trees I've grown from seed will give their first fruit this year.
5 years in.
#plantbreeding
Yeah, it seems like a crazy idea, right, but we have a chestnut tree and an apple tree nearly two-stories high, in the backyard, because my BIL dug seeds in the ground 20 years ago, on a whim. 😂🤷🏻♀️
Fruit trees can grow from seeds. Who knew?
they grow just fine, but you get better amounts and size of fruit if you graft them onto a stronger rootstock, you can do that later anyhow
teh other thing is a lot of commercial apples are hybrids and their seeds don't produce consistent variety features.
There seems to be a big parallel in the bible of this whole process btw.
Growing from seed.
Good and bad fruit.
Jesus coming in grafting the good on the bad.
Yeah, my MIL already explained it all to me. She grew up on a farm with an orchard.
I've sown "Giants from Kazachstan" that grow quite true to seed.
Curious for these guys' size.
They reach timber size in Kazachstan, lol.
Good Apples + Good Timber = Me curious :eyes:
Zig-zag drivers find the road faster.
Who will make it:
People who seek thrills and risk
People with extremely low time-preference
People who are religious
Women who have no friends
Well, me, basically. 😂
woman with few friends is the best kind, because by nature women are distractable and the more intelligent ones are more interested in crafts and science and children, because they aren't busy gossiping. women are distractable for good purpose - because keeping house and watching children and small livestock requires a lot of context shifting.
and posterity will miss none of these attention addled, hormone disrupted, mentally degraded apes
actually, if you took away all the hormone pills that women take they want children bad, it's the men who are less interested in it, because sex is less satisfying for them and cameraderie is more appealing
you give women the pills, and they all turn into gossiping whores and the men turn into monks, except for that 5% that fuck all the horny women whose hormones are imbalanced
I think it is innate in us, as in many animals, to want to have children. Sex is just the incentive, but we have an instinct to create them and protect them until they grow up.
I think so too
Bitcoiners want kids. Everybody wants and gets #Bitcoin. Therefore, eventually, everybody wants #kids. (Or no?)
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A senior in my math class said something similar the other day.
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Him: How much do you play the guitar?
Me: Not much now.
Him: That's why I never want to have a wife and kids.
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I just thought, "really? you want to spend your entire life alone so you can play the guitar more?"
Of course a lot of young people think this and it changes as they get older. But I also think parents sometimes say this to their kids - "remember, once you get married and have kids you lose your freedom." My parents said as much in a round about way.
They aren't encouraging their kids to pursue meaning. They're encouraging them to pursue happiness, which is fleeting and fickle.
Of course there's more to it than that. There's culture and economics and on and on. But I do think that parents sometimes send a message that their life was better before they had kids, even if they aren't explicit about it.
they might regret it either way
From the outside looking in, having a child is seen as a burden. Most millennials I know work full time, live in apartments and do not have any family support system. To them, a baby represents sleep deprivation, financial stress, career blocker, loss of friendships and party life. If they are on the liberal side, I can add in anxiousness about the future or even the climate.
Having a child is one of those things that require a leap of faith, and they have little about the future.
Some cross it out completely and some think they can delay it until they are in their 40s. The ones that do, are usually content with one. I must be the only one in my circles talking about wanting 3 or more.
> Most millennials I know work full time, live in apartments and do not have any family support system.
Wow that's really sad, where I live (Spain) at least most people have a strong family support system due to our culture and that makes everything a lot easier, not just with children but in general.
I wish you and your family the best sir!
People should try it out before they knock it 😜
Many intangible benefits to having children.
Your life and life focus is improved in so many ways.
I also struggle to understand these choices. But everyone is free to choose what they want. Even in my opinion sooner or later they will regret it. In any case I respect the lore choices
people choose all the maluses of being in couple except the only real purpouse capable of make life good