This from someone who is building relay tools and whose monetization model depends on independent usage and payment.

This is how nostr moves nowhere. nostr:note1lkv4czvjdedz5973zzm0q5pxaq3jgqj8faa85yg9zmalhasgykksaaps06

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dont get mad bro, your vision for relays is different than mine. thats all. if educating users about what relays can do besides be a twitter feed is going nowhere, and relays unable monetize because clients 'automated' it then where does that lead? it leads to fewer very large relays.

You can kick and scream all you want and I hope you win but there’s reality and there’s wishful thinking and I prefer to stay grounded in how people actually use shit

I had a similar argument to a dude saying we "need to explain users about Relays and how Nostr works".

It's obviously good if your users know about the technical details, but that can't be necessary.

Like, wtf are we talking about, we don't know how 99% of the tech we use daily works, why would Nostr be different.

Exactly. People can and should educate themselves on new tech and no doubt many will, but default experience should be easy that you don’t have to understand if you’re using the right relays or enough relays or whatever other concerns people have.

End user doesn't have to know how it work. Power users need to know how it works.

Same as with all tech.

Power users will set systems up and invite their friends, colleagues, congregation, and club members to it.

The default power user is the client developer, who sets the defaults. Thereafter comes the group or community admin-owner. Thereafter comes the layer 2 relay manager. Etc.

Some drama on Nostr 🍿

People on discord, Twitter and so on are used to subscribe to channels, thread etc.

Relay could be organised similarly, general, ephemeral, archive, specialised, free, fee-based etc

This is probably just an UX problem