You're right, all of it. Aaaand wrong in your conclusion.

Don't blame Christianity for what the Catholics did. And to be fair to the Catholics, don't blame them for what the Calvinists did. Etc. Christianity is following Christ, not a specific group of people doing.

But if this world isn't the product of Christian thinking, then explain... History. I didn't say its perfect or that Christians are perfect. Only that their actions made this world.

Did you know that the greatest scientists and mathematicians were mostly Christians who did their science in pursuit of God? Yeah, sure, there were some non Christian great thinkers, and the modern version of their culture emphasizes them, but all of them added together don't even come close to the Christian scientists. Why? Because for most of the last 2000 years, knowing God meant having a clear understanding of the world, and getting closer to God meant learning stuff. Only recently have Christians been infiltrated and subverted and the modern disdain for high education has been inculcated among them. They're being destroyed and their history is being stolen, and I know who's doing it but I won't say it.

I must correct your correction - sorry. The Romans may have believed in a round earth, but that was a Greek discovery, and the Greeks also gave us the epitome of their philosophy in the form of Christianity. The Romans also bleached their togas in human urine, before debasing their currency to pay for their palatial estates in a culture of corruption until the empire fell to pieces while going insane from lead poisoning.

Teaching people to read is gatekeeping? A lot of missionary work before modern schools was just teaching people to read.

Yes, Noah's ark doesn't make sense. Obviously its either allegorical or some hugely important pieces of the story are missing. Yes, that's religion for ya, gotta just accept it and turn off your brain. I'm against religion, and I think I've made that clear here. That's not the same as being against God or Christianity or any other religion - learn what you can from any of them, but never never never turn off your brain.

You're making large conclusions based on correlations that I don't even know are completely true. Majority of scientists and researchers today are not religious.

Also, I never said I was against god. My initial post asked why god gives a fuck if you worship him or something else.

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And my answer was that I don't think he gives a fuck.

Research whatever I say. I don't want you to believe me. If I say something that inspires you to research it, then that's enough for me.

Have you noticed that science has dramatically slowed down in the last 50 years? And that 200 years ago there was an explosion of new inventions, and that we've lost whatever mojo we used to have? Meanwhile, maybe its just a coincidence, but Christianity has fallen deeply into illusion. Its connected.

Too much moving the goalposts but I appreciate your time. Let's agree to disagree.

Where did I move goal posts?

You keep bringing up science and all these other things that have nothing to do with my initial post. I'm trying to find out why god would want to be worshipped not to be convinced of god's existence or that christianity is the reason for human flourishing.

If you're going to credit christianity for the good things christians did then you also have to blame christianity for the evil things that they've done. And a lot of evil has been done in the name of religion. But if I bring up evil things that christians do, you'll say that those people are just evil and are not following christianity correctly. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

I like Nietzche’s take on Jesus:

Nietzsche admired Jesus as a radical, life-affirming figure—but condemned how Christianity distorted his message. He saw Jesus as a noble spirit corrupted by his followers, especially Paul.

Jesus as a moral genius: Nietzsche believed the historical Jesus embodied a profound inner peace and love that transcended resentment. He saw Jesus not as a dogmatic preacher but as someone who lived his truth through example, not doctrine.

A symbol of love and non-retaliation: In The Antichrist, Nietzsche wrote that Jesus taught people to “love your enemies” not out of weakness, but as a radical affirmation of life. He admired this ethic as deeply personal and transformative

Jesus rejected institutional power: Nietzsche saw Jesus as someone who opposed religious authority and legalism. He believed Jesus lived in defiance of rigid moral codes, embracing a spontaneous and joyful existence.

Paul as the corrupter: Nietzsche argued that Paul distorted Jesus’s message by introducing guilt, sin, and the concept of eternal punishment. He claimed Paul turned Jesus’s life into a religion of resentment and control

Christianity as anti-life: While Jesus affirmed life, Nietzsche believed Christianity betrayed him by promoting suffering, asceticism, and denial of the body. He called Christianity “the greatest misfortune of humanity” in The Antichrist

Jesus vs. the Church: Nietzsche drew a sharp line between Jesus and the Church. He saw the Church as a political institution that weaponized Jesus’s teachings to manipulate and dominate.

Thanks AI

It’s the most reasonable approach to the subject.