The latest trend among bitcoineirs is asking monerobros how many transactions happen on LN or "give me a LN transaction", the issue there is of course no one can tell if there is a script kid sending millions of LN payments back and forth to itself, making this a useless debate that does not measure any meaningful economic activity, nor its privacy.
What you can do on the other hand, is actually provide them real world data of real economic activity, which we do have, like shopinbit's latest volume data:
https://x.com/shopinbit/status/1889584085057896498
You can easily see that Monero :default: takes the lead on January 2025 at 56.3% of their volume of payments, while LN ⚡ does a mere 0.4%. That's a really low tx count for real economic activity, plus a really low anon set and not much privacy if you think those users either use custodial wallets or are connected to a large LSP, or even if doing LN perfectly, they are still a small crowd.
Next time a bitcoiner challenges you, challenge them to create a real world business, take LN and Monero as payment, and tell us how it goes! We already have the data, now it's their turn to complete the challenge.
If you want to try a Monero-based nostr client, check out nostr:npub1m0std0zlg4d9gldykfjys342lz85ve2rvpqnpk86vcnzts02m68sl502vt and if you want to get some XMR KYC free, I recommend robosats or retoswap. And share this with a bitcoiner friend
People spend the softer currencies and save the harder currencies. What you seem to be saying is that this altcoin (xmr) is softer than bitcoin.
When all the other currencies are hyper-inflated or traded to zero, then people will use bitcoin almost exclusively in transactions.
Nope in a free market of currencies, good money drives out bad money, so this altcoin (xmr) have shown stronger fundamentals in high threat environments, like the dark web, where bitcoin once reigned since the days of Silk Road, and has now been replaced by an altcoin called xmr and bitcoin is discouraged in its use
i think theres probably some truth to the first part of this.
bitcoiners are kinda tight. understandably when everything single asset is supoosed to go to zero vs it
but if everything else goes to zero instead you have massive incentive to create a transaction layer Backed By Bitcoin ™
the plan is that early adopters become the new banking class
