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However I think friction is a huge deal these days. While email has remained somewhat competitive because of demand, what about something like smartphones?

There is IOS an Android and relatively nothing in between that doesn't require an engineering degree to use. I suppose that's still two competing markets but 99.99999% percent of smart phone users will have to bow to their will. The other .00001% have said engineering degree and fight hard every day and will be forced to withdraw farther an farther from their peers.

Okay, lets say to want to travel to see a friend, you have a stripped down Android phone. What are you options for GPS that actually work, won't leave you stranded and isn't written by Google?

Is it really competition if %99.9999 of users don't have the skills or the dozens of hours to fight against to be able to break out of the walled garden.

banjo 1y ago

I have to disagree somewhat (but I agree with Despota's comment on friction. Ask an iPhone user to give it up and switch to Android is like taking away their opium. And if they DO switch, they're met with a large learning curve, and a month or two of swearing before they get used to it (or in many cases switch back).

Same with Android really--that side of the fence also doesn't want to switch.

But I disagree with "needing an engineering degree" to use--

Switching to #GrapheneOS is simple (really). Go to https://grapheneos.org/ and click the blue button, then follow the prompts to click the remaining blue buttons. It's a fully web-based install...

As for a GPS that "actually works" you simply download an app (just like on iPhobne or Google). I prefer OsmAnd (although there are others). Download that, turn on location, and you've got turn-by-turn navigation just like Google...simple.

So the options are out there--but I think it's user inertia more than anything else. Most are inherently lazy (how often have you seen folks not even willing to entertain even listening about BTC? Same thing...)

What's that say about Nostr? Maybe folks will end up using one client...but with so much out there, that's like saying "I use a word processor, but I don't want to use a spreadsheet--that's too much trouble"...

But it doesn't mean we don't need spreadsheets...

Folks for years have been saying "when will the next 'killer app' come out?"

Well, you're using it...

And we don't really know what some bright, talented (maybe even a bit quirky or unconventional) programmer wil come up with that no one ever thought of...

(Know anyone like that L?) 😃

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ChipTuner 1y ago

I understand your points, and if I believe most people thought like me I would agree, but either I am on the fringe or you are being dishonest about the options that are actually out there.

I know maybe 1/10 people that own a computer these days, and maybe 1/2 computer owners would know how to connect their device to it. I think that number is pretty accurate.

Beyond that all "easy to use" OS are meant for Pixel devices. I know almost no one with a pixel device in person.

Lineage is not really an option unless you have a Pixel or one of the most flagship phones. If you think I'm being dishonest go to your phone store for android devices and look up lineage support. I mean literally down to the part number. Many of the lineage supported devices are strange unlocked ones outside the country. I couldn't find one that was supported, or had the proper tooling from the MFG to support them. In the US we don't have fair phones. And you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone I know to buy a device they have never held online.

I mean GPS that actually works. They simply can't compete with Google. I also use OsmAnd and have tried others based on OpenStreetMap. Everyone I tried to convince using it reverted. I still have horrible issues with OsmAnd. Chugging battery, slow loads, incorrect routes, ghost addresses. Town names that arent named correctly against state GIS data. Search is terrible, to the point where I end up dropping a pin near where I need to be looking on a map and using coords instead. Its unusable for normies IMO. No other app compares with OsmAnd that I have come across.

For techie people sure. But this is minutes of work every time you want to go somewhere and if its an area you don't know the damn thing could be dropping you off somewhere totally wrong. This isn't just my experience I'm naming. I still regularly use it, but this is the tolerance part I'm talking about. I have but others don't. That's modern normie live in my experience.

This is not aimed at you, but just speaking out loud. Anytime someone says, just go to F-Droid, there are plenty of alternatives for X app. Or simply install X degoogled OS. They haven't used them for more than a moment, or haven't tried anything outside their little box of devices.

If you couldn't tell this is a personal issue I have been thoroughly exhausted with.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

You don't need bleeding edge latest devices, there are plenty available that are several generations before brand new in a box or refurbished ones, they work just fine, "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality is a mental disorder. 😂

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

One you will pay a high price for indulging...

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Most do it when they are young but you are supposed to grow out of it.

Fr. Josh Miller 1y ago

If you do get a previous gen, make sure it's in the Pro line. The difference between a 6a and a 7 Pro made me laugh out loud. I love them both and carry them both, but iPhones don't tend to differ much between the last few gens. Androids phones, though.. heh.

A good tool gets out of your way.

Palmira 1y ago

Hi 👋

If I am a iPhone user but completely willing to change over to grapheneos which phone should I purchase?

₱ⱤØⱠł₣ł₵ JØł₦₮Ⱬ 1y ago

Google pixels get the top phone so it past about 5 years

Palmira 1y ago

Okay thank you.

banjo 1y ago

You need a Google Pixel.

The best choice now is one of the Pixel 8s...there are some security features in those that are new (i.e. not in the 7 series) that Graphene is leveraging, and you'll get the longest support.

Having said that, it's (of course) the most expensive.

I usually go one generation older (so the Pixel 7a is a great choice and is probably your best price point right now..

You may want to wait until the 13th--looks like Google has a product launch scheduled--and once the Pixel 9 comes out, the prices of older phones will drop. And of course Black Friday is also a great time to buy.

BE SURE TO GET ONE ONLY FROM GOOGLE - YOU CANNOT USE ONE THAT IS CARRIER LOCKED (i.e. buying from Verizon or T-Mobile will NOT work)

Check out this page for more info:

https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Happy to answer any quesitons!

Palmira 1y ago

Wonderful, thank you!

WealthSquadAce 1y ago

Great info, so from everything I’ve found so far it seems like Pixel + Graphene OS + Helium is the way to go?

banjo 1y ago

Not familiar with Helium, but a big fan of Graphene (and yes, you need a Pixel). 😃

Great OS, very easy to install...happy to help with any questions if you'd like.

WealthSquadAce 1y ago

I just found out about helium and it seems like a great service provider for people looking for more privacy. Thanks 🤝

banjo 1y ago

Is it a VPN or??

WealthSquadAce 1y ago

Wireless phone service that enables individuals to establish and manage mobile networks

banjo 1y ago

Ah...thanks!