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Let's see if I'm calling nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z 's bluff, or if he actually implemented #kind24 public messages.
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Lol. I can see it but replies are broken :(
Doh!
Well, 50% is a good start.
I can see it and reply to it, but it's still in PR, so we're even.
Just occured to me, that I don't even know how the replies work for this. đ
Alexandria let's you 1111 back at any event, except kind 1, but does thing even have replies, or is it cooler to just air-reply with a kind 24 back?
Maybe it would be even better. I don't know.. I am having some doubts about not having a "thread" on this kind
I air-replied back. Adding a Public Messages tab, so that it's easier to see them in order, like the Japanese relays do, with air-reply feeds.
The feed is now chronological, but allows for kind 1111 replies.
I just right-align my messages and left-align everyone else's, and the threads appear below the respective event.
But then you have to mix kind 1111 and kind 24 in the same "chat"?
Sure, but I'm assuming most people will just air-reply. Threading doesn't add much, but always supporting kind 1111 is Alex standard practice. Makes sure someone who's client doesn't support a kind can still respond.
I tested with an single e-tag to point to the parent. But I think you are right, kind 1111 could be better. But then I am not sure if they should be displayed in chronological order, because the threading features of 1111 might make this very complicated. They would be just as regular Kind 1 threads then
It also requires kind 24 implementers to code 1111, which I am not sure it should be required. I wanted to make something very simple. đ¤
I'd go no-thread, to be honest. Already driving me nuts, in the rendering. Just as it arrives, in a stream.
Here is what the kind 24 reply with "e" looks like, on mine, and it makes it sorta lame. Should be air replies, IMO.
removing all replies, both kind 24 and kind 1111. It's just air-replies, now, cuz YOLO.
Kind 1111 replies show up under to-from tabs, and kind 24 replies kill the vibe.
There's actually no loss of information, as they can always choose to "View event" and they can see the kind 1111 replies there. But, this is just going to be an air-reply chat. No threading.
Ok, so if we want to get context of a conversation we load everything from user to P-user and from P-user to user?
Good idea. I can add a "filter for this user" button next to their profile pic.
What happens if another p-tag is added. Do we just blend all the convesations with multiple p tags or do we create "rooms" for each individual p-set?
You mean a kind 24 with multiple p-tags? I have no idea how to handle that, but I don't really want to depart from the air-reply feed, as then we just end up with a stupid version of groups.
I'm trying to picture this. If the 24 has multiple p-tags, that just means that note goes to lots of different npubs' message feeds and/or notifications.
If they click the âŠī¸ reply button, on that 24, then we don't create create a real reply, we just include all of the same p-tags in the next 24. We could have a Reply/ReplyToAll differentiation, like with e-mail. đ¤
For orientation, we could just include a reply-snippet, at the top, like Jumble does. That's much simpler than threading replies, and doesn't require an additional kind. Could just put it in an optional "context" tag, or something, like 9802 highlights do.
People just want some indication that something is in reference or response to something else.
They can then click on that snippet and go to that context-event, if they want.
I guess that reply-snippet could also be an "e" tag, but that would lead lazy developers to thread everything and then people would quickly hate the hell-threads in their notifications.
the whole thing of mentioning every npub in the path back up to the OP is kinda crazy
a subscription that looks for e tags to the OPs would work the same way also, without being a hellthread.
idk which empty skull came up with the idea and then how the fuck it became convention but it needs to stop
I guess I need some way to add or remove a "p" tag, when replying, to sort of drag someone into a conversation, or remove someone. I could display who was all included in a list, and have "+" and "-" button.
Again, the Jumble UI for this is nice.
I don't want to do e-tags. The temptation to thread it would be irresistable.
It would quickly end up kind 1 in the notifications tab.
lol
nothing wrong with direct reply and OP references, otherwise it's floating in space with no context
email you quote, do you want to replicate that pattern?
I'd rather have nothing. I know how bad most Nostr developers are and they would burn the concept, and then the users would demand we remove it.
op and direct reply are fine, IMO, and mentioning the npub of the direct reply but mentioning the whole path to the op is retarded
normal threaded discussions only link the post into the thread and trigger a notification for the user who was replied to. not the whole damn path up the tree
the structure is a doubly linked list/tree, that's reasonable
the mention of the next user up should be default off but a button "notify of reply"
The whole point is that the discussion is not threaded. It's air replies.
ah, so instead of creating these tags the reply button is the quote button
makes sense. would also be kinda cool in that the relay hints are in there as well
+1 ACK on this concept. approved.
this is like email replies except more compact because the reader can fetch the reference
it would mean that seeing other than the single path up would be hard to do as well. you'd click on what you reply to, if it's a reply, you click on that, etc etc ad lib to fade
Although, you could get around that with a filter, by saying,
đ Show me the chain.
That's not a true thread, but would display them in order.
He already has quotes for context in the spec. I didn't see that. That's okay. Yeah, quote-replies, no threads.
I'm not going to do any references or replies, at all. I can already see y'all turning my nice, clean UI into spaghetti.
Yeah, I constantly see notifications for side-threads I'm not in.
You can see, I filtered out the convo with nostr:npub1ty3ftnetpxnlj42lgwkmwdxta69gfm5f9mfljvmwdgymvsf6pkuswhxq4p
worked with Victor
you have just piqued my curiosity to see what this looks like
It looks like TREX from nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h , but the messages don't get mixed into the social feed.