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I do use Vexl and Peach, but when you live off bitcoin that then opens a whole new conundrum of compliance issues.
First, I usually need to exchange large amounts, which are hard to find offers for.
Second, and most importantly, when your entire income comes from random people's bank accounts, the bank will close my account, which is really something that I don't want to deal with.
I can deal with exchanges closing my accounts, but having my bank account closed is really a whole nother level of a fucked up nightmare.
Revolut just for bisq? Same issue?
Interesting, I've never used Revolut, do they have better compliance policies?
They care less. Open up, do your kyc. Start using it for your rent for example. And by card do some random stuff with it.
Then add bisq and robosats. Start using slowly around 500€. Expand to 900€ but stay under 1000€
Sometimes (4 times in 5 years) they ask why you are receiving / sending money to xyz person. The list is long enough to chose from.
That’s it. Never had issues. If they close you, no big deal. But features like revtag to revtag 24/7/365 is a plus.
Sending from own Revolut to your local bank is absolutely no issue because both are run under your name
Another thought: don’t take their offer to add a German Iban. Use Latvia or anything else they give you. In eu you can pay your rent also from their SEPA / Iban. Don’t use German bank. Maybe that’s also helping
How do I get a latvian bank account?
I mean inside Revolut. Start the opening process and be aware if they try to give you a German iban
Ooh ok, ty!
You got this. After opening and ordering the free Visa card ( you want to be a good customer) change some recurring fiat contracts to Revolut. Not too many, just to make them see you as a good customer.
After that start the p2p journey. Imo the best solution is Revolut as a proxy to legacy world
Run from Revolut as hard as you can
Some of our European and Asian contributors use Revolut too, it's great. You can get a phone number from a neighboring country to obfuscate further. Their main HQ is seemingly Lithuanian (more liberal), but they can force you into shutting and opening a local branch in, for example, France. French and UK Revolut are different, I think.
A few of us also work/live with restricted accounts coz we refused to update KYC 👀 JFYI
Revolut has gotten worse. High fees and they blocked their app on android custom rom! This makes revolute totally useless! They force you to use a spying Google Android!
Stay away from Revolut!
Why don't you collateralize a loan with Bitcoin? I obviously know that means KYC but it fixes your access to large amounts of dollars without actually selling your Bitcoin.
My local German bank reported „suspicious“ transactions after several trades on bisq. They never talked to me about the transactions instead they went straight to law enforcement. The system is fucked up.
Cash is the way
I‘m planning to write a story on this re the risks of using P2P, can you send me an email? Lola@therage.co
Sounds interesting.
Hope you release it soon 💪
Can confirm: German police will freeze bank accounts if they have questions about bisq trades.
Two of my trades were flagged as linked to computer fraud, and I was required to provide a written witness statement.
Interestingly, when I contacted my bank first, they explained the investigation and then re-enabled my account.
Lesson learned: always keep multiple bank accounts/cards.
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This definitely requires careful consideration. I got one bank account frozen for “many” ins and outs ant took me a while to get it back. Feels like shit.
I would say totally aseptic partitions:
1. Different accounts inside of your usual bank: one account for the card, another for receiving and others to talk with other banks you don’t care much about (Revolut or similar, more than one)
2. Try to use the gift cards when possible.
3. Try to build a community of trust people so you can swap for cash and use more cash.
4. Also close nocoiners are useful and gives a bit resilience (“you pay (me) the rent, I’ll pay (you) the food and gas”)
5… anybody say something else…
I always use cash instead of bank accounts. And for contacts and meetups.
But I don’t know your situation ofc.
And for contacts attend meetups.
FYI, cash is getting looked down upon/questioned and refused (for withdrawal) in many countries off late. Not everyone has the privilege.
You can't use cash for a car or house purchase.
You can't pay your bills with cash.
You can't be paid by cash at work.
Not having a bank account is a major issue.
You can have a leasing or mortgage. You can split the payments.
You can put cash on your bank account.
You can withdraw cash from your ATM.
If you don’t have an account than it is different story.
if your bank closes your account for receiving money you should close that bank account, if all banks do the same in your area look to open an account in another área, there are a lot of different options around the world, look on Paraguay, Panamá, el salvador, ...
Presume you’re already using gift cards as much as you can?
