Monero fans, are you asking me to keep my savings in monero? or looking at the chart are you mature enough to admit that monero is only a privacy utility and does not serve as a store of value?

Are you monero fans aware that governments have enough computing power to attack your network? On the other hand, there is not enough computing power in the world to attack bitcoin, as the bitcoin network itself has become the most powerful distributed network in history.

These reasons I have given you are clearly reflected in the price of monero relative to bitcoin, I hope you understand, you should focus your efforts on making bitcoin more private.

You are welcome.

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I don't consider Monero a good store of value. I use Bitcoin as my savings account.

As a medium of exchange it's great, especially if you need to keep your transaction details private.

Privacy?? How can we have privacy with a shitcoin that 32 people use? 🤣🤣

Tell me you've never bought anything from the dark web without telling me.

32 people lol

There are actually more Monero nodes around the world than Bitcoin nodes. Fact.

Like you said bitcoin for saving

Monero for private spending

Till bitcoin fixes it’s privacy issues it’s gonna stay that way.

Yep! đź’Ż

When I can shield good much I'm sending and who I'm sending it to natively on chain with Bitcoin I will have no further use for Monero. Until then I'll always keep a little around.

More and more dark web marketplaces are going Monero only and dropping Bitcoin support because Bitcoin privacy tools right now are shit and people are in prison right now because of it.

Personally I think any dnm that takes btc is probably a honeypot at this point.

I also don’t think many of the plebs that use btc even have the balls to go on a dnm.

What dnm? I think I agree with you …

Lol

Don’t worry not a fed wink wink lmfao

Would someone explain what a dnm is?

Oh you were serious.

Dark net market

Think silk road

Yes, thank you. Didn’t know the acronym. I have a programmer buddy who loves Monero and was a huge fan of Silk Road. I read (in Wired) that the “first” one got impeded, but that “they” could never completely put the kibosh on it.

You’re welcome. dnm will always be around.

#freeross

UNDERESTIMATE BITCOIN PLEBS, WE LOVE THAT

Fair point I just don’t think it’s normal yet.

If it's good enough for the Freenet Markets it's good enough for me! đź’Ż

Rivals Bitcoin on Freenet Markets and trending upward. Data is already 2 years old.

Here is Monero as the most popular currency by bolume on Bisq. Even more so than any major fiat currency.

And here is one of the most popular white market gift card businesses by volume. (Notice Lightning is almost non existent)

You act as if you have to choose one or the other. I use the best tool for the job that is required.

Historical price trend =/= future price trend. I know most Bitcoiners hate this fact, but any extrapolation into the future is speculation.

If you believe the trend will hold, don't use Monero as savings. Use it for it's strong default privacy utility, as you say, and it's real world fungibility, and very cheap tx fees. A better Medium of Exchange.

Bitcoin can never be made private. It will never be allowed to change L1. Privacy gains on L2 come with major sacrifices to one or more of self-custody, permissionless nature, P2P, and/or illusion of final settlement.

The strongest L2 contender to Monero is Ecash and that is completely custodial. And the mint can arbitrarily print more Ecash without you knowing. Doesn't sound like Bitcoin to me.

Monero has tail emission therefore inflation

Gold has even more inflation than Monero and is not predictable either.

Gold = worthless? If so, I'll any gold off your hands

It was just the best alternative we had for thousands years. It requires time for people to see that there is a far better alternative now.

As a store of value bitcoin wins, just maths. If you want to benefit from monero privacy then you can cross swap a transaction back and forth. Or use other technics on bitcoin like coinjoin + lightning. Others will come.

I am from those who thinks that privacy should take place on layer 2+ and layer one should be fully transparent.

Also Monero is far too centralized compared to bitcoin. There is no privacy without a strong security.

Just like Monero - gold has it's own advantages that Bitcoin doesn't and vice versa - like not being reliant on a complex network to use and exist and being fungible and private. It also has several millenia proven history as a SoV vs Bitcoin's ~15 years.

It's not just math its subjective value. Bitcoin can control the supply side of the equation, but never the fickle demand side. That is a constantly changing market process.

Agree that you can just cross swap between Monero and Bitcoin, but comparing it to coinjoins is apples and oranges. Coinjoin is weak privacy via obfuscation. Nothing is hidden. You can see everything. So that means deobfuscation is possible (and even happens to DNM OGs a decade later) with more data or future user mistakes. While Monero amounts and addresses aren't available on it's blockchain. No transaction graph is visible either.

Lightning receiver privacy is weak and unannounced channel amounts can be derived by a sophisticated adversary. Any privacy on L2s always give up main value props of Bitcoin like self-custody, permissionlessness, p2p, final settlement, etc. Ecash for example (probably the strongest privacy contender) is custodial and mints can arbitrarily print unbacked tokens without anyone knowing. None are full replacements for Monero.

Monero is FOSS. That's all that matters. At any moment anyone can sell or swap their Monero if they don't agree with the path it takes and no one can stop them. They can opt out. The community can also fork Monero and no one can stop them.

It's great both expirements can exist and I think they occupy different realms. Bitcoin is trying to be a SoV a digital commodity, while Monero is trying to be the best MoE a digital cash.

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