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I don't know if it's the dev's responsibility to create that bridge.

It's the job of everyone who cares about the issue.

I haven't spun my node up since moving, but when I do I plan to install knots. Is it more complicated than installing core for some reason?

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

Imagine there's a bar of gold in a secure box that only unlocks for you, but this box is somewhere in an Olympic sized facility that is completely dark.

Obviously you want the gold (so you can sell it and buy more Bitcoin), but you don't know how to get the gold.

There are people who are with the gold right now. There are other boxes with a bar of gold that only opened for them and all the boxes are in the same place. In other words, they're exactly where you want to be.

The people who are where you want to be can really expedite the process of everyone finding their way to this place but most people are polarized towards service to the self, not service to others, so once they get theirs, they turn their attention to the next thing they can get for themselves.

I have Core 28 running. It says I've downloaded Knots. I have absolutely no fucking idea how to make Knots run instead of Core on my node. No fucking clue. Zero guidance is available on the node's operating software which, given how big a fucking deal this issue apparently is, it would be nice if the node software devs were responsive to this issue.

I would bet that these node software devs have never normie tested their shit. I would bed they've never asked a normie to take a Core node and convert it to a Knots node before. They don't like doing this kind of testing because it reveals to them how shitty and inconsiderate their designs are. Devs are super smart and they don't like it when dumb fuck normies reveal how out of touch the Devs are with the everyday user. Nobody likes to be confronted with their mistakes, but frankly, if you want the masses running your shit you need to make your shit runnable by the masses.

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55809c7c... 4mo ago

I think Start9 has a bug that shows bitcoin core as being installed even after you selected knotts to run.

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

I don't know if that's the issue I am dealing with or not.

All I know is that Core is running and I've downloaded....specifically downloaded and only downloaded...Knots. I cannot progress beyond that. No idea how.

55809c7c... 4mo ago

My setup shows this. I know that knotts is installed however.

Skyler Byrden ⚡️BIP 110 ⚡️UASF 4mo ago

Start9 sees them as the same app. If you see knots in your services list you’re good.

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

It was confusing because the install button on Knots doesn’t appear until you uninstall Core. I barely know how to do anything on a node let alone UNinstall something. That’s brand new territory for me. Doing things with nodes is the most advanced computer shit that a lot of Bitcoiners will ever do especially when considering the financial implications of screwing up.

The problem is that the Knots screen needs to have an Install button whether or not Core is already running. If Core is already running, the Install button on Knots needs to still be present but it needs to be greyed out and inactive and next to it needs to be text that reads something like “to install Knots, uninstall Core by selecting Core, scrolling down to the Actions menu, and selecting Uninstall”.

That would be clean.

Skyler Byrden ⚡️BIP 110 ⚡️UASF 4mo ago

It will be clearer in the next version of StartOS.

There is a way to install Knots over Core.

On the start9 settings screen tap “MANAGE” 5 times. This activates dev mode. No you’ll see “reinstall” available for knots and core. When finished tap the “MANAGE” heading 5 times to turn of dev mode.

Sourcenode 4mo ago

Are you running a lightning node? As far as I know at the moment none of the lightning implementations run through knots (could have changed since the last time I checked)

Once I get to the gold bar in the Olympics pool or whatever I'll touch base man 🤙

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

Appreciate you fren.

Yes. It's a Start9 and I have a lightning node going there.

I downloaded Knots but I don't know how to move forward and nostr:nprofile1q9z8wue69uhnvmr9dp58jernwf6xsct8d45hxdn4w5m8gatrdej8v7nhxa3h2cnsw94ksanc09unw6n0d9hkxdp4d44hxu35v4skgtn0de5k7m30qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uqzq44xkafh8j8hhy79809wsmv0lw46nu4pkwqjyp20ekml80mytde8phfu08 's user interface doesn't offer any guidance whatesoever on what the next steps are.

It seems like it should acknowledge when you're running Pepsi and you just downloaded Coke and ask you if you want to switch, at least the first time.

Right now it just downloads and then says "Downloaded". Core just keeps on ticking. If I click the "Downloaded" thingy next to Knots, it takes me to the Core implementation I have running.

Like...what the actual fuck am I supposed to do nostr:nprofile1q9z8wue69uhnvmr9dp58jernwf6xsct8d45hxdn4w5m8gatrdej8v7nhxa3h2cnsw94ksanc09unw6n0d9hkxdp4d44hxu35v4skgtn0de5k7m30qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uqzq44xkafh8j8hhy79809wsmv0lw46nu4pkwqjyp20ekml80mytde8phfu08

Sourcenode 4mo ago

I haven't contacted them in a while, but they used to have a very active support chat.. it was on telegram, but it got moved somewhere else because of all the duplicates and scammers.

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

I found some help. It seems to be the case that the Install button doesn’t show up until you uninstall the competing instance of Bitcoin software. Also, there isn’t an uninstall button near any of the other button. Apparently the Uninstall option was selected to be buried under the actions menu.

Start9 4mo ago

There is a bug in 0351 where startOS cannot tell the difference between two services with the same ID. They need to have the same ID so that dependents, such as lightning, will be satisfied by either. This is fixed in the next release, but right now switching between Core and Knots is a bit confusing. See the video we provided in reply to your other post.

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

Thank you. I would zap you but my zapper is currently down due to the switch.

Start9 4mo ago

Switching should not have resulting in any downtime. Does that mean you uninstalled Core then installed Knots and so now need to resync?

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

Yes

unknown 4mo ago

Gah! You could have copied the blockchain over to the knots folder

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

If any devs need insights into how little we normies understand how to do this stuff, I am more than happy to demonstrate how entirely not obvious all of this stuff is.

The chasm is a huge problem. As Bitcoiners and therefore as people who understand how money enables a specialization economy where we all benefit, my hope is that enough devs are able to figure out that these things must be made obvious.

Like, when you download Knots on Start9, but you already have Core running, what you just told me should have been a prompt with an option for a deeper explanation that explains the benefits of doing what you said could be done.

No normie is gonna know any of this stuff. It has to be baked in.

Oh well. This is the cost I pay for focusing on my craft in the specialization economy and not dedicating the last 20 years of my life towards this one skill set. Paradigm shifts can be a bitch.

Dan Wedge 4mo ago

Feeling that paradigm sting

RedTailHawk 4mo ago

What's most irritating about it is that I'm nowhere near a luddite. I'm a STEM type of guy. I've coded some basic websites before but that was back in high school and I haven't used those skills much at all in the meantime. Mostly Excel has been useful to me but Excel isn't all that useful in Bitcoin. This stuff is all foreign. I've been around for a while too. In a week my tenure as a Bitcoiner will eclipse 50% of Bitcoin's existence. I'm no noob but I'm no OG either.

unknown 4mo ago

I feel like I’m in a pretty similar position to you. Not a dev myself but I can stumble through alot of this stuff. But a lot of it it’s not clear or obvious to me.

unknown 4mo ago

I only learned because I saw someone else do it.

Also, it’s making me think and research more on the whole core/knots debate. Because if knots doesn’t “like” the uxto transaction set that core has validated. Why is it possible to move the chain data folder between apps 🤔

It’s almost like they are using all then same info anyway. 🤪

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago

most of the code is the same, core just made changes that stopped users setting some configurations, changed defaults in ways that potentially could increase spam.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago

also, knots is simply not relaying transactions the filter settings say are spam.

once they get into blocks they accept them, and i think it can also be set to not relay those blocks for a while, like first or second block have to go on top before it will start relaying the block.

it happens fairly often, like every few months that there is two blocks competing to be at the top and settings like this would favor the block that didn't have as much spam in it.

it won't cause a fork but it may reduce spam, slow it down, and favor legitimate use.