Opt-out of Google entirely.

Ungoogled chromium and brave are not acceptable compromises.

Google is EVIL. Do not support them by using any browser that uses their engine.

Firefox (and its forks) are not perfect but they are still the last refuge for a private open web.

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The "*wolf" browsers are pretty good - Firefox based.

#badwolf #librewolf

Opt-out of the "EVIL" internet entirely since privacy does not really exist on the web.

That is just defeatist anf nihilistic

I am struggling with this decision.

Are we sure we can't "capture" Blink and make it thrive with a completely open source, privacy-oriented, corporate-free community?

I have an eye on Cromite lately: https://github.com/uazo/cromite

I would like to listen to nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 opinion on this regard.

#Bromite was a one time great de-googled browser which lacks all the crypto-💩#Brave comes with. Its great it was revived through the #Cromite fork and hope it continues to be developed.

From #Firefox based browsers apparently #Mull is a good one. For desktop #LibreWolf is a nice privacy oriented fork. #TorBrowser is also a hardened Firefox browser.

I have no experience with #Mullvad which is unrelated to #Mull browser.

I tried all these, Bromite was my favorite.

I'm only worried that a one-developer-browser can be too much vulnerable.

#Bromite was and still is my favorite regardless being outdated. Will be substituted by #Cromite but not instantly. Maybe its me but the only downside I have met with it is its unable to erase history on exit. I have to do it manually, #Brave has the edge here. I cant stand #Brave being super private but constantly talking to a miriad of own servers. Something seems wrong to me with this super hyped browser.

Google also funds a lot of development of Firefox, no?

Funding != developing

The trade off is clear to everyone: firefox defaults to Google search.

No other strings attached as evidenced by firefox's better support for ad and track blocker extensions.

A search powered by sats instead of advertisements (like DVMs) won't be a default in Firefox, or likely even considered, while there is funding from Google. Mozilla has explored other options, but I still think Google is the largest source. It is certainly influential to development.

There is no guarantee your search is not being tracked unless you take active adversarial measures.

Changing the business model from ads to pay-per-query might improve the incentives, but it offers no guarantees.

Firefox is probably worse.

Nope

What browser do you recommend? Really just dipping into freedomtech.

None, all browsers are trash the "web" is just Google's playground. But I use Ungoogled Chromium. I've used Firefox and Vivaldi before.

I've also used that nice keyboard-based browser nostr:nprofile1qqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3gpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwd4hhxarj9ec82cspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqktq68a uses for a couple of months (I forgot the name), it was actually the best of all the choices above, but it failed to render way too many pages (it just displayed an error instead of rendering anything), so I had to stop.

The fact that it fails to render so many pages is a direct consequence and a proof of the fact that the web is broken.

+1 for vimium, hard to use a browser without it

I created a vimium fork called vimium+ at one point. I’m obsessed with making every interface vi-key compatible. On my nixos desktop environment i never needed to use a mouse.

I'm curious, what sets your fork apart?

Ironic you named your fork vimium+ before all the Damus+ debacle 😛

It just added numeric link hint completion instead of a fixed set of characters, so you could narrow down based on the text in the link. I believe they eventually implemented this but for a year only vimium+ had it

fwiw i did at least PR it first they just didn’t accept it

that was you?!?

ok. you just achieved Olympian status.

lol i had users !?

it’s still on the web store isn’t it? 😆

You're talking about qutebrowser?

Nice concept but written in python and slow af.

Vimium extension is great though.

You’re not using https://www.ask.com/ ?

Maybe 😂 https://hotbot.com/

For search? I'm using https://kagi.com/.

Thanks for sharing. I was sharing fun 🤘🏼💜

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What makes Firefox worse?

Right, it's no secret that Google/Alphabet (and Meta, Microsoft, Amazon, ...) are evil. De-Googling is definitively a great thing to do, and I did that too almost two years ago as well.

The problem is that because of Google's antics, Chrome/ium is, right now, easily the most supported browser (engine) out there. So whilst de-googled Chromium, Brave, Vivaldi and friends don't seem like the best options, they strike a great compromise between having a working, good experience on the web and keeping yourself private.

There is, since years now, a new browser engine in development, called Servo: https://servo.org

It started as a Mozilla product but... yeah, their graveyard keeps growing. Something-something about detaching from Mozilla and becoming its own thing etc...

I wish it was as easy as just using Firefox to run away from Google entirely, but sadly this just isn't a thing. And, there are Google Services that are - at present - neigh irreplaceable like Youtube. LibreTube/NewPipe, Piped, Invidious etc. are the best way to use it, but under the hood, they still use Youtube one way or another.

Hopefuly, in the future, Google either sees competition or regulations that force them to change some of their ways or create the opportunity for better and more private alternatives to arise. But as it stands right now, you can do some things, but there will always be a downside.

A coin has two sides, always. Much like a sausage has two ends. :) There'll be a way, eventually - it just isn't here right now. Fingers crossed tho! ^.^ #optimism

Mullvad browser

Firefox on mobile though?

Interesting. Never heard of this one before. Thanks.

I never used Chrome, never trust it, always used firefox but it starts pushing it luck with forced update thing.

still looking for a good search engine, if you have one share it.

Why the concerns with Brave? I realize its Chromium-based but do not see any traffic to Google networks.

For my personal use, It's a Japanese laptop without Chrome pre-installed, I use Firefox for browser with customizeable, animated themes, tons of settings and privacy-laden Firefox extensions. Pretty decent compared to all the others in the game. I tried Brave but it kept crashing so Firefox still is, for me

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Sergei + Larry cashed out long ago

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