Yeah, my point is that my door is unlocked and we have essentially no crime. Violent crime makes the national news, here, and usually doesn't involve firearms.

The black neighborhoods here are safer than many white neighborhoods over there because the overall culture is more peaceful. Black men are much much safer in Germany than in the US and we have literal Nazis here. Furthermore, the black neighborhoods over there also used to be more peaceful.

A lot of the American need for personal protection is due to the higher overall level of violence, which the gigantic prison landscape doesn't really change. It's a chicken-egg problem.

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When you get out of the cities and the burbs, it's peaceful despite a higher percentage of household firearms and concealed carry. I'm no whateverist, but in my lifetime it seems to creep out from the cities and seemingly poor areas.

There are decaying rural areas with drug problems. They are also dangerous.

Do you think that if you had a public healthcare that worked good enough, there would be less crime?

I think that having for example a finger cut off and the healthcare system doesn't fix it if you don't have money, then you have a barbaric canibalistic society, caring about money more than normal and thus being more violent. Do you see such a connection?

I don't know, but the hit TV series "Breaking Bad" is about someone becoming a drug lord to finance his chemotherapie treatments because he's too poor to pay the doctor, and that premise didn't strike Americans as particularly odd. 😏

Yeah. They think this barbarosity is normal. It is not...

I don't exactly think you are wrong in saying that despite your judgement. Many of us grew up with a belief that the world has a natural state of depravity, capacity for harm, and chaos. We must do all we can to protect ourselves and communities at all cost. That's the way the world has always been. There was no such thing as healthcare, let alone one that EVERYONE deserves access to off the backs of hard working people. That's it, we're not a homogeneous culture, we don't all have the same goals and some want to protect those goals or dreams, and others want to watch them burn.

Again not necessarily my views, I think this position accurately reflects myself and my peers.

"it's a republic... if you can keep it"

What do you mean there was not such a thing as healthcare? And why do you say that not everyone deserves access and why do you assume that it will happen on the backs of hard working people? 🤷

Hard working people are the people who currently often aren't getting health care, in the US. Unemployed people get Medicaid and older people all get Medicare.

You split my statement up, it was meant as a whole.

> why do you assume that it will happen on the backs of hard working people?

Because we already do. The federal government pays for up to $220/month for individual health insurance. If you make between like 22k and 50k you get a subsidy included in your premium payment. Which is called a median "silver" plan. In most places it's better coverage and support than provided by large corporations as "benefits", completely free, no hoops, sign up online. State regulated health insurance the only legal option I have as a business owner. If I or my business makes over a certain amount I pay extra OVER the cost of the plan. Meaning I have to pay more for the same insurance coverage because I made more than the threshold for median income. But if my total anual income (including the business) makes less than about 48k/yr I can get money back on my insurance premium. If I make $22,500/year or less, _and_ choose a silver insurance package, my insurance is completely paid for. If I choose better coverage I pay the difference.

This isn't even medicare or medicaid, which is arguably worse in terms of providers, paperwork, and support.

I have a family member, who refuses to work. He over 30 now, and never works. He lives off disability, believes the world owes him housing, food, water, and his regular ER visit and refill on medial marijuana script. Whos funding his ability to live like this? Whos paying for his ability to remain unemployed, get high, and play video games all day?

Does he deserve to get turned down for a legitimate issue, absolutely not, and you don't get to paint me as evil for suggesting that not _everyone_ that appears in the hospital deserves to get FREE attention.

What I think Im trying to say is, if you take $500/month out of my paycheck in insurance premium, or in my tax bill it's the same thing, except I personally believe, it's likely the state will make a mess of it, because it already has.

While I don't have the stats, I believe Thomas Sowell would describe what we have now as price fixing. Look how well that usually goes.

To be clear this is assuming you are advocating for state run/socialize healthcare. If you aren't and can bring my prices down, I'm all ears, bug I'm biased to believe you'd be speaking utopian.

To be even more clear, the federal government already regulates the price of healthcare with the "open marketplace". They fix the price and coverage.

The system you have is unfixable and worse than you described it. It is made for profit and exploitation. You cannot fix that, so there is no solution with such a base, you have to change that. So i am not talking about a system with such a base (see my others comments on the thread too). Forget about USA and its monstrosity even though it is all you know. Take another country as an example. There are other ways out there and you have one of the worst or the worst.

Oh, but thanks for the extensive answer.

Yeah, the US has some good hospitals, but the insurance system is terrible. Both public and private insurance are totally bonkers over there.

Even if you pay cash, the prices are often weirdly inflated.

I think a fundamental problem comes from the assumptiom that "the government should take care of it"

You have The State, which organizes a city according to their own framework, optimizing for things they care about while the things they aren't measuring are invisible to them. The State creates grid cities to make it easy for "outsiders" to navigate and intervene, which by design, creates opportunities for bad actors to navigate and extract resources they need.

"Wow, this place is overrun by CRimiNalz!! 😱 What do we need to do? We need to put more restrictions on the city to stop them! But where does it happen? We need to figure that out as well! We need monitors where we see the BAD behavior and stop it before it gets to our neighborhoods! Wow, can't you see?! We have so much work to do, and we need more funding!"

You have The State operating its own framework, imposing rules upon a city that they aren't a part of, and when they observe behavior that goes against their ideals, they impose their framework harder. They're able to do so through leveraging the authority and power they have.

What happens then, to those at these margins? Society itself then assumes that the mentally ill, sick, and violent are the responsibility of The State, failing to recognize them as neighbors. The State also assumes this responsibility, to the point where individuals taking matters into their own hands are punished:

- you have people trying to feed the poor getting fined

- self defense being criminalized

- doctors prohibited from giving advice that contradicts authorative medical knowledge

This doesn't negate the purpose of a healthcare system, or any other centralizing system, but rather points to the fallacy that order is best managed from some top-down outside perspective that fails to recognize the specific lived experiences of the individuals navigating said systems day to day.

Even the doorbells watch you walk by on the sidewalk, in America. That's actually illegal here, for data privacy reasons.

You have no experience of a public healthcare system. Do you? 😀

It is funny because you are trying to imagine something that is the established rule. The state takes care of some basic stuff for the citizens since it collects taxes. That is what this is all about. Having the ability as a citizen to go to a hospital or being able to receive education for fucking free is basic stuff. It is the normal...

Its a hyperbolic argument, which derives from an archtype we see as a result of systemic failures. Again, i'm not negating the systems of healthcare or centralization itself. I'm not reimagining anything, I'm stating observations verbosely "to the room" to lay out my stance. My argument is not "we need better healthcare systems", if "better healthcare systems" means more organizers at the top placing more rules and more beauracratic systems to enforce said rules.

We need more individuals at the low level navigating the intricacies of the situation. We also need the organizers at the top to be receptive of these local needs. If it was the norm we wouldn't be seeing such disparities of violence and homelessness that already exist.

In practice, the American health system is larger, more beauracratic and more expensive than any of ours.

I think it's also fair to say we're a significantly less established country, span over a very large landmass. It's quite expensive to do a lot over here in comparison, regardless of how much red tape is involved, which is a lot. I still don't think these are fair arguments though. I can't imagine how cheap it would be to live where yall are at where a majority of your infrastructure has already been built for centuries. Like where is the expense?

Germany was a wasteland after two world wars, and Eastern Europe was Soviet.

Our infrastructure is newer, not older.

I don't know if this is the best video i could pick, but it is from a guy that used to be a marine in USA army. And he is saying something

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VDWRzxf0g1g&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD

Youtube blocks me, so i'll take your word for it.

Just keep in mind that the state cannot cover everything or give often the best personalised solutions, thus the private sector and initiative can fill some or many gaps. I guess the rules you are talking about, are the rules that the state in USA tries to apply in the healthcare system in USA for reasons i have no idea about. I have heard something like that before. I don't know what it is all about, but it is specifically related to USA.

In general you go to a public healthcare facility,hospital or else, and you receive a satisfying treatment according to established medical practises. You want something more or something different and you have the money to support it? You go to the private sector. That's it...

Chickens been raised from incubators don't make chicks. So... it was the chicken that made the egg. Not the egg made the chicken 😀

But you are on fire indeed. I enjoy your latest posts very much 👍

I just wanted to make sure that the last 15 people, who hadn't yet gotten around to muting me, get another reminder of why they had been planning on doing so. 😁

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