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Exactly. Anyone who says V4V doesn’t work doesn’t have the competitive advantage when we are this early.

Fact is… it’s changing lives at its current “so early” form…. ✊🏻

The sad truth is the current infrastructure to hold bitcoin alienates the society that need it the most in Tanzania, and that is heartbreaking.

This is a real case study. I meet a security guard who saw me walk to the car and ask me for money for lunch.

We got to talking and he told me

He is employed.

Works 6 days a week.

7am - 5pm

Has a wife who works and helps a clean and look after a household

He has 2 kids In govt school so no fees.

He gets paid 120k Tsh a month….

Has to pay electricity he said cost him 10k Tsh a month and water bill 5k Tsh a month.

His phone can’t support playstore or AppStore… so can get him his own lightning wallet at the list. Hardware wallet, no computer. Internet is a luxury.

What now… that’s what I am wrestling with and where I want to shine light to.

I know about Bitcoin enough to buy it pretty much daily.

The only option I can think of is a trusted community bitcoin bank. At the basic level I have an excel with there details and sats they have accumulated and set up a wallet that holds them in and go from there.

Waiting for the infrastructure is negligence on my part as far as I am concerned. I can do something and can start from there.

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QW 1y ago 💬 3

Keep talking about it. This is a forum of problem solvers.

The more we know the more we can put our hearts and minds together.

#Plebchain 💪

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

You are right

A problem shared is halved

A joy shared is doubled

JSTR 1y ago

Agreed, I have faith this is the place to solve these problems and #plebchain can help do this

Hurvajs Rumcajs 1y ago

I know this is sub-optimal but in that case maybe some web based custodial (lightning) wallet, or even an exchange account might be a temp solution.

Leurico8 1y ago 💬 1

you can create them some paper wallets. they will need someone's devide to spend but not to receive and hold the coins.

https://bitcoinbeachbr.org/

these guys did it in brazil

Man Like Kweks 1y ago 💬 1

Ok will check it out thanks

Leurico8 1y ago 💬 1

Sure. Get in touch with them and they will be happy to assit you do the same there.

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Appreciate 🙏🏾

Steven Day 1y ago 💬 2

I would need to go searching but I thought there was some solution that was developed especially for the African continent. I feel like it was featured or talked about by the HRF.

I’ll go do some research.

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

nostr:npub1nv4j840c5ugjjq7ym3sqkz5jcschjx8ulnaa90645av0rwdylm9qv9x0gr but it was blocked in Tanzania

SUPERMAX 1y ago 💬 2

You run your own node?

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

No i don’t.

What would be the benefits of doing so in this context?

It always looked to costly for me to do so

SUPERMAX 1y ago 💬 2

As you mentioned somewhere in this thread having a community Bitcoin bank, a node would be a great starting point for this; you can be the source for your community.

What is the main issue running a node for you? Hardware too expensive? Internet is not stable?

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Yea,

I tried to set one up with voltage.

The fees per month, I didn’t really understand what I was doing. So I closed it.

I was a real novice. But I’d be interested in doing it again if it could benefit the community bank.

What would you advise? Using voltage seemed more work in my opinion.

SUPERMAX 1y ago 💬 2

Very much so, just need cover the ~50,000 shillings/month to use it

I'd be glad to help you we have another Tanzanian we're helping too

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Thank you. I’d prefer hardware to a cloud subscription. I’ll look into that

SUPERMAX 1y ago

Best move!

Jonathan 1y ago 💬 1

What about a browser wallet like mutiny or alby, no App Store needed just a website. They can write down the seed phrase and receive anytime. Then when they can connect to the internet they can spend for local currency, or better yet other people who will accept for goods.

Man Like Kweks 1y ago 💬 1

I think this is the best option.

nostr:npub17vqv727lnqyw6g5alfrgycr48g930xf4hku8vy4k6n6mnl3lcl8sglecc5 can invest in a community laptop on site. Make it like an internet cafe vibe and then help them create a mutiny wallet/ Alby wallet. We can introduce nfc/bolt cards to be mobile with it as they don’t have internet access beyond the campus…. However they have control on their own wallets….

Man Like Kweks 1y ago 💬 1

nostr:npub1f7ptem2ztp9x4n7w62n90ddv40z0jrt4490d8lug3uasfwyjsccqkknerm when you come through we can talk about this challenge from this thread

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

I think using nostr:npub1mutnyacc9uc4t5mmxvpprwsauj5p2qxq95v4a9j0jxl8wnkfvuyque23vg at nostr:npub17vqv727lnqyw6g5alfrgycr48g930xf4hku8vy4k6n6mnl3lcl8sglecc5 is the way…

POWA has internet access and can fundraise for a cheap laptop to use for this purpose and we start from there…

Zapped 13 sats to test https://v.nostr.build/2LDX.mp4

Sats Dragon 1y ago 💬 1

I haven’t messed around with it yet but perhaps a fedimint. Multiple people with knowledge can control the mint to prevent a single point of failure. Money can be sent to their account even if they cannot access it. Then when someone wants or gains access to the technology they can take control of their own funds. Like I said I only know what I have heard on podcasts but it might be an option.

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Maybe waiting on nostr:npub1uq70uqgas9pyhds2zt57kr9se8rg3s68ztphjnq82ts8rzeknmeql7u0c2 to get back to me

corndalorian 1y ago 💬 1

Persons some sort of custodial lightning solution utilizing nfc cards (like bolt cards)?

corndalorian 1y ago

*Perhaps ... not person

Aldis 1y ago

Is this a use case for Cashu/ecash?

Deleted Account 1y ago

If they could download an app.

Consciousness Incarnate 1y ago

Coinos.io and/or eventually ecash through some mint service provider

hodlbod 1y ago 💬 2

Maybe gold would better serve people without the needed infrastructure. Or something like offline.cash. But of course those things haven't reached them for a reason. Maybe these people are out of luck until bitcoin's incentivization of energy production reaches them.

bootlace 1y ago 💬 1

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nostr:npub1lr2zzf989mvf393y0tv39ara6a4vddkd6y87z784up9vl6ks6j3qtudl6a

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Right now it’s not available in Tanzania.

We can get there and i hope we can find a solution in the interim

Right now a using nostr:npub17vqv727lnqyw6g5alfrgycr48g930xf4hku8vy4k6n6mnl3lcl8sglecc5 as the hub/ internet cafe and assisting in creating an Alby or mutiny wallet is the best option to serve those with no internet access.

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

The community here are familiar with community banks. Getting loans, micro financing.

Creating one with bitcoin is what I am proposing.

Creating an accountable reliable custodial service is the quest to serve this group.

hodlbod 1y ago 💬 1

How do they normally interact with the banks? Cash? Or digitally?

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Mobile money. You don’t need internet to access a wallet. nostr:npub1nv4j840c5ugjjq7ym3sqkz5jcschjx8ulnaa90645av0rwdylm9qv9x0gr has created a lightning wallet that uses sms menu. However Tanzania blocked it.

Or cash.

Solution I don’t want to do but can only see as viable to get them off zero. Hold their bitcoin for them, use an excel to keep record of amounts. Because also I would be selling bitcoin too.

Use nostr:npub17vqv727lnqyw6g5alfrgycr48g930xf4hku8vy4k6n6mnl3lcl8sglecc5 as the internet cafe and invest in some laptops. Teach them

To set up a web lighting wallet.

I think the later as they keep custody of the bitcoin. But many are familiar with the top option. So improving POWA infrastructure could serve the community in a big way.

FirstBankOfNowhere 1y ago

Wouldn’t something like Manchakura help? It is made for feature phones.

Man Like Kweks 1y ago

Not available in Tanzania

Justin_Tokyo 1y ago

Is nostr:npub1nv4j840c5ugjjq7ym3sqkz5jcschjx8ulnaa90645av0rwdylm9qv9x0gr unavailable in Tanzania ?

Man Like Kweks 1y ago 💬 2

To use on the feature phone yes. Tanzania blocked it.

Justin_Tokyo 1y ago

How one does acquire Sats in Tanzania ?

Man Like Kweks 1y ago 💬 6

I have access to many exchanges but commonly, people us Binance P2P