In 1999, NATO forces bombed Belgrade for 67 days straight because Yugoslavia was ethnically cleansing Albanians which drove Albanians into neighboring regions and threatened to destabilize the region.
Today Israel is ethnically cleansing Palestinians which may drive Palestinians into neighboring regions and threatens to destabilize the region.
Why isn't NATO bombing Tel-Aviv straight for 67 days until Israel comes to heel?
Because NATO is ZIONIST Bastion.
good answer
Glad I found someone here mentioning Israeli Genocide. Doesn't seem to be a popular topic.
I talked about it a lot after Oct 7, which was a hard time to defend Palestinians given what Hamas just did. But I was very familiar with the sequence of abuses over the last 75 years. After that I paid far too much attention. It affected my ability to get stuff done. So I mostly stopped paying attention for awhile now. Then I heard about the UN resolution and had a glimmer of hope. Then that hope was dashed by Israel ignoring the UN. It hurt too much so I again stopped watching and probably won't watch closely for a while until some big event breaks through into my awareness.
As long as international organisations are monitoring the abuses, I don't really have to watch, and it hurts too much to do it. But I did think it was important to argue, to sway public opinion, when public opinion was broadly divided. Now public opinion has been swayed quite significantly (Israel pretty much made better arguments against themselves than I ever could have) so I don't need to keep on talking about it.
Wise words. Part of why I enjoy this space is the feeling of switching to a different system. On X stuff was getting toxic. Same here..I was going HAM against Israeli Nazi Regime for the first 2 month..based on research regarding the last 75 years. ✊🏼🇵🇸
Hamas is an asset Mike...
i'm more concerned about the human genocide
what about all the people who got tricked into taking a toxic, experimental medicine and died suddenly?
how many of them was there?
pretty sure it was millions
not to say that every pointless death isn't any less horrible but the genocide of the well meaning was the worst because it was literally people right in front of you, going to the camp, taking the flower for their clothes and waiting for the shower water to start
murderous psychopaths arranging the death of people is the same, no matter how it plays out, and there is evil hands behind both sides of every war, every time, humans would not choose this, they are hypnotised into it
Agreed.
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It is even the same Woman running the United States. Hillary Clinton in 1999 via Bill Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton in 2024 via Joe Biden.
#Controversy! #Fight!
HAMAS killed 1200 Israelis and holding over 100 hostage until today. Why don’t we send teams into GAZA, kill them and rescue the hostages
Great question
#Controversy!
Although they made a deal to release the hostages, and aparently Israel didn't want them.
HAMAS deal was to release women and children only and for Israel to completely retreat from GAZA and end the war. Why would Israel agree to that? There are still 4 battalions in Rafah they need to eliminate to finish the war.
Tell me, presuming you think Hamas shouldn't have attacked Israel on October 7, what should they have done? Even the former director of Shin Bet says that if he were a Palestinian living in the West Bank or Gaza he would fight against Israel to achieve his liberty and would do "everything possible" to attain it. They have been refugees in their own homeland for 75 years, every effort they make to better their situation gets bulldozed by Israel or shot in their ankles.
So answer me. What should they do? Bend over and take it? You would never do that. Answer me honestly.
What are you asking? Should HAMAS fight to their deaths against Israel?
They can do whatever they want but don’t be surprised when Israel strikes back.
As far as too many “innocent” people getting killed, all HAMAS has to do is surrender or not hide among the civilian population and fight like real men.
This is an existential fight for Israel. There is no way forward other than the complete annihilation of HAMAS. How many more people get killed is up to HAMAS
Why should Hamas give up taking back what Israel stole? Israel has die Right to only 7% it the land, which ka what Jews had of private property in 1948. All the Rest is stolen
Because they keep going to war with Israel and keep losing.
All they had to do was accept the original UN resolution and everyone will be happy but NO, they want 0 Jews in the Middle East so they keep fighting.
Fine, but don’t coming crying every time you lost.
Accept which UN offer? The one in which they lose their private property to illegal Jewish immigrants?
Haha, you must be joking.
Try that in the US
1947
Arabs get 42%, Jews 56%, the rest they share
The problem is people like you think it should be 100% Arab owned. That why they keep fighting
Fine, go ahead, keep fighting, but don’t come crying how unfair it is when their territories gets leveled
I think the mechanism to transfer property is thru buying, not via killing the owner or kicking the owner out.
If Jews wanted more than 7% they should buy it, not kick who was there out thru murder.
Ok, to be fair to your I read about Jewish belling expelled from many countries:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews
In 1948 Egypt confiscated properties of Jewish and killing many of them. I also don't agree with it.
Egypt should let all Jewish who were kicked out back, or be paid indenization.
In Europe also Jewish got kicked out many times. Every country which expelled Jewish and took their property out should be indenization to Jewsz and also every Jew who kicked a Palestinian out should pay the Palestinians indenization or let them come back.
This means that If I consider it a matter of States fighting states, then because Egypt stole property of Jewish people, Jewish people would have the right of stealing it back from Egypt.
But seeing this as a matter of individuals, Egyptian State stealing property of Jewish individuals don't allow Jewish individuals stealing property of other Egyptians or Arabs.
This story is too messy. I'm sorry for you being involved on thiss I'm also sorry for Palestinians (as individuals, not as a State)
I don't want to talk about politic but I can't ignore this. Israel is fighting Hamas, a terrorist group killing baby, women, old and sick... Hamas started the war and for information, from decades, Hamas lunch rocket from Gaza close to houses, schools and hospitals then force the palestinian people to stay around to be killed and then blame Israel, if palestinian people don't want to stay at the lunch site, Hamas kill them directly and blame Israel... the first victim of Hamas is the palestinian people, so now Israel say stop, try to end Hamas and you blame Israel? Israel has ever wanted peace, they give territory for peace and they receive rockets from there... millions of arabs work in Israel and it's fine but how do you want to be in peace with a terrorist group who want your extermination ? Hamas is living by killing and there goal is the destruction of jews, Hamas have what they deserve but unfortunately the palestinian people is suffering again, you should blame Hamas for this, you are an idiot who don't know the reality.
Israel stole Palestinians Land even before Hamas existed.
In 1948 Jews had bought 7% of Palestinian land and suddenly In a war for 50%. So the 43% is all stolen, taken by killing people and expelling 700 000 people with no Right to Return.
Israel ia clearly the invader here.
Israel should have only 7% of the land.
In 1948, UN divided Israel in 2 parts, 1 for jewish, 1 for arabs, arabs didn't accept that and arabs nations start the war immediately, and they loose, what are you saying ? Who started the war ? If you go to a casino and you loose, it's not your money anymore, it's the same here, Israel won territory from a war started by arabs nations and again you blame Israel... for what exactly, because Israel won war ? But ok, Israel want the peace, give back territory for the peace, oops rockets are now lunched by theses territory. For information, the palestinian state never existed before 1964, it's pure creation from arabs countries around Israel, the first president of the palestinian state was Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian who created the Fatah, a terrorist group friend with Hamas, a terrorist group, together united to end Israel... Israel never stole anything and ever wanted peace.
Israel had only 7% of legal bought land. Dividing the land and giving 50% to who bought only 7% is stealing.
The war started by Arabs on 15 May 1948 is an answer to The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948 made by Zionists.
Albert Einstein also said Israel was a fascist state since 1948. Read his own words written on 2nd Dez 1948:
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. (...)"
Source: https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
United nations decided the division, not Israel. If you want blame someone, blame the UN. The UK controlled the territory and accepted to give a part for jews, jews never take this territory by any violence. Violence started by arabs immediately after the UN announced partition on November 1947, even before the partition vote.
There was no massacre at Deir Yassin, you are lying.
Do you know what a person who rejects evidence that doesn't fit their ideology is called? An idiot.
Jews never took it by violence? Lie. Read about Jewish Terrorist groups Irgun and Stern gang, which committed terrorism against Brits and Arabs until to get land:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
Jews and arabs lived in peace from centuries, there was business between them, the region was peaceful, and suddenly jews started terrorism ? Do you really think that ? Who is the only party to have interest of a war ? Who have interest to destabilize the region ? Jews ? Arabs ? None of them, but British (the western world, USA and Europe) yes, like that they can say it was better on their control and legitimate the retake. Who fund Hamas ? Who fund Israel ?
The 1947 UN Partition Plan was a 'fiat' move, and I am not a fan of fiat. It was heavily influenced by Zionist lobbists. At that time nations considered this influence to be blackmail, immoral and underhanded (shocking I know because nobody has these kinds of morals today). The following countries therefore announced that the Zionists were blackmailing them: USA, India, Liberia, Philippines, Haiti, France, Venezuela, Cuba and Siam. The plan was a violation of the UNs own charter's clause on national self-determination, and one which Palestine not only rejected but announced it would take all necessary measures to defend itself. Subsequently, after a civil war, Zionist forces implemented Plan Dalet (planned ahead of time) which the Palestinians call the Nakba. Essentially it was ethnic cleansing.
And you say the Arabs started it.
As a curiosity: do you have reliable sources confirming the blackmail? Thanks
Well wikipedia has references on this page under "Reports of pressure for the Plan": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Whether the pressure rises to the level of blackmail, or inappropriate influence, is a personal judgement and so you'll never win a debate with a Zionist on that point.
Honestly, I think we all want the peace, jews and arabs, but palestinians will never have peace until the destruction of Hamas, which is the cause of the chaos. All the world should be united against Hamas, then a palestinian state will be possible. arabs should blame Hamas for the situation, not Israel. It's a desolation to see what is happening, I'm sad for the palestinian people and jews living in that terrible situation from decades because some crazy terrorist just want the annihilation of the jewish people, something that will never happen. Fuck Hamas
If only that were the situation. The actual situation is that Israel deceives people about what the situation actually is. Take a closer look. They bombed the mosques and hospitals, and offered only clearly-bullshit evidence of hamas operations hiding underneath. They are starving them all to death, not just Hamas. Settlers are blocking the roads so aid cannot come in. Hamas was funded by Israel in order to have an excuse to use a "military solution". In the West Bank they continue to take homes, kill kids, steal their land and settle on it, and because Palestinians aren't citizens of Israel they have no state government protecting their rights. They have no rights. They are treated like animals with Israeli courts putting on sham shows of 'balance' which are anything but.
So no, "we all want the peace" is bullshit. Israel never wanted peace. Israel wanted safety through war. And they wanted safety from imagined threats, blown all out of proporation, probably because of being shell-shocked by the Nazis. They also wanted all of the land for themselves, and are psychopathic enough to kill the people who were living there to get it, using any kind of lies and twisted arguments to make it seem like they are doing something else.
Hamas contains some very bad people, yes, but that is because every sufficiently large group of humans contains some very bad people. I can point to IDF soldiers pissing on dead Palestinians, but unless it is representative I don't bring such data into arguments. Palestinians know what is going on, and they support Hamas because fighting back is better than dying without even trying. Hamas is a freedom fighting organisation, designated as terrorists only in the West where Zionists have outsized amounts of pull.
Israel uses the fact that Palestinians are fighting back to claim Israel's existance is threatened. But look. Gaza has had almost all it's buildings flattened, has no economic activity anymore, the people are skin and bones, bombs falling constantly. Who exactly is having their existence threatened? If you think Israel is the party whose existence is threatened, all I can say is that you have some wires crossed in that head of yours.
The more Israel pushes in this direction, the more the world turns against Israel. The Houthis are now fighting Israel. Hezbollah is active again fighting Israel. Nations around the world are making pleas with the U.N. The ICC case by South Africa. Young people everywhere on TikTok hugely in support of Palestine and having utter disgust for Israel at this point (so Zionists got TikTok banned!). Does this make Israel safer? No, it is now MUCH more liikely that Israel will be ended, not by Hamas but by the 8 billion other people on Earth who watch how Israel behaves.
from decades, even when Hamas lunched rockets from Gaza, Israel sent tons of food and medics to Gaza every days, Israel gave free electricity to Gaza too, and Hamas used this electricity for building rockets, you miss all of this... Hamas stole the food and starve the palestinian people for controlling them, Hamas tyrannized the Gaza population from many years, and yes there are so many reports of rockets inside hospitals, just around homes and schools. After October, It was not acceptable anymore to give food, medics and electricity to those who have massacred and kidnapped so many people, now Israel will finish Hamas, and for this, it's necessary to cut food, medics and electricity to Gaza because Hamas control it. Palestinian people is suffering again because of Hamas which is responsible for the situation. It was Inevitable, you can't deal with a terrorist group who just want to destroy you. I'm not saying all Israeli are clean, some do bad things but in general, they are catch and put in jail quickly.
Jews had bought 7% of all private owned land in 1947, and got 50%+ after 1948. This mean 53% of the land was stolen, and even more after 1967.
I can't go to your house, steal it, let you live in the basement, sell you electricity and complain when you fight back.
Any "charity" I do after having killing people from your house and locking you on the basement doesn't erase the fact that I am a robber.
Sorry, but is not Israely constitution that says: "Kill all Palestinians". It's Hamas charter, article 7 that say kill all the JEWS.
Yes, Jews... Not Israelis, not Zionists. Jews.
And if you can't see the difference right there I'm sorry to be the one to tell it but you are just yet another Nazi.
You should read Hamas charter before babling bullshit on the internet... It will be enlightening!
It quotes a hadith that predicts these events. It didn't call for it. But because of assholes like you who make dumb arguments like this, they rewrote their charter in 2017.
Did you know the Likud charter says all the land from the sea to the river will be under Israeli control? And they have the gall to say that when protesters chant "from the river to the sea" they are being genocidal.
Words from recidivist deceivers are less than worthless.
Oh, they changed it 7 years ago so now it's totally fine for them to do an act of war by invading Israel targeting civilians.
All nice people, Tutti bona gente!
You should invite some refugees to live with you.
Be part of the solution instead keep whinnying on social media for the "poor Palestinian good people".
What I agree is that Arab countries are inciting people against Jews. My brother in law's grandpa was Jewish ans the president at the time side all Egyptians should kill all Jews. They shot the grandpa of my brothers in law, but luckily they missed it. Later he run to France and then other country.
This is absolutely retardaded: to hunt Jews that are not even on Israel in retaliation to Israel.
Hamas now get Iran support. Who the hell can count on Irana government? They kill their own people!
Egypt and other Muslim countries are pretending to be on Palestinian side but they are not. Why didn't they go to ICJ before?
I also don't Trust Israel, as I have a friend who lives in Gaza and she left her house as Israel told her. She went to a "safe place" designed by Israel and on the night Israel send a rocket near where she was and killed 41 people.
I think Palestinians cannot count on any Arabic country, and also not on Israel.
About Hamas I'm not sure... I also don't Trust Hamas, even though Palestinians seem to support them.
Ps: for those who support #libertarianism, that's what you get when you don't have a State: you get killed. Learn this lesson from Palestinians
Plan Dalet:
And for your information, the capital of Israel is not Tel-Aviv, it's Jerusalem
Because NATO admins were at Epstein island
Because they want to destabilize the region.
stupid post @mikedilger ... muted!
next time start with, "hamas you satan worshippers, release the innocent hostages, apologise for raping and oven baking babies (perverts), and surrender."
Controversy!
Hamas is already destroyed. What is happening now is pure genocide and wiping out everything that has to do with Palestine. Most of hostages are buried under the buildings Israel has destroyed so, they'll have a hard time releasing them.
Mute me if you want but most of the world is on Palestinians side and Palestinians are not Hamas. Fuck Hamas and Fuck Israel government!
1948: Creation & Catastrophe (Full documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwy-Rf15UIs
Through riveting and moving personal recollections of both Palestinians and Israelis, 1948: Creation & Catastrophe reveals the shocking events of the most pivotal year in the most controversial conflict in the world. It tells the story of the establishment of Israel as seen through the eyes of the people who lived it. But rather than being a history lesson, this documentary is a primer for the present. It is simply not possible to make sense of what is happening today without an understanding of 1948. This documentary was the last chance for many of its Israeli and Palestinian characters to narrate their first-hand accounts of the creation of a state and the expulsion of a nation. Hear stories from the Israelis and Palestinians who personally lived through events in Haifa, Jaffa, Dayr Yasin, Acre, Jerusalem, Ramla, Lydda and more. These shocking and dramatic events reveal the core of what drives the conflict today.
