For years when I lived in Uruguay we’d buy laptops and phones overseas and bring them back for ourselves but also everyone we knew. Uruguay like most countries in Latin America have very high tariffs on electronics. It’s a stupid tax which hurts the local economy a lot. There is no world in which it makes sense to manufacture high tech electronics in a tiny country of 3 million people whose economy is based on banking, tourism, and agriculture. Nor does it really make sense on Mercosur (South American trade block) level.

So it was cheaper to buy a round trip ticket to Miami and buy your iPhone than to buy it locally. There are restrictions on how many devices you can bring in, and to be safe unboxed everything to show i wasn’t bringing in products for resale. But basically every time someone from Uruguay travels outside of South America they’ve got a list of things to buy and bring back for friends and family.

There were attempts and making peer to peer market places for the informal tech mule economy but those got shutdown for obvious reasons.

Now I live in New Zealand which is a country which strongly believes in free trade and I’m able to buy whatever I want locally or directly from overseas. I’ve got to pay the VAT (GST style sales tax) but other than that it doesn’t matter where I buy it. It’s great.

The US is choosing to move towards the system that has failed to serve Latin American countries for decades. Ironically enough given Trump and republicans are pushing it but these trade barriers are really popular with a lot of Marxist economists. 😆

The thing is we know what will happen. The price of an iPhone in Canada and Mexico will be 40% cheaper than in the US. Same thing with laptops and everything else made in China. This will cause a booming retail business along the border. Initially out of reclaimed shopping centers, temporary pop up stores, etc… but there will be so much money in it that you’ll see it get established fast. It doesn’t require much to do a pop up electronics store.

Then Americans discovering they can get their name brand consumer and electronics goods across the border will start rushing to get goods at the old pre-Trump prices. Fly to San Diego, take the light rail train to the border, go shopping, come home. At first it’ll be folks buying for personal consumption and friends. But we know if a tax on consumer goods is over 10% then there becomes an economic incentive to evade it. All of a sudden instead of having a problem smuggling drugs and people in to the US you induce economic demand for mass smuggling! Gangs control smuggling partially because it’s illegal and you need extra legal use of violence to regulate the market, but partially because you can control access to the supply.

With electronics and other consumer goods, these will be imported and sold freely in Mexico and Canada. So anyone can buy them. And once inside the US then there’s a massive digital market to resell them, after all there’s nothing illegal about reselling that iPhone or Nike shoes you bought but never used or even unboxed. This is similar to the reason people steal Amazon deliveries. Fencing the stolen items is really easy.

So it’s easy to smuggle stuff (especially at low volume), easy to buy the product, easy to sell it. The effect of these tariffs is going to be an absolute explosion of cross border smuggling in to the US. It’ll make focusing on drugs and people trafficking really hard. It’s is going to completely undermine effective border control. It’s ironic because Trump has built his political career around the idea of border security. But these protectionist tariffs will undermine that project.

Large systems with strong economic incentives are complicated and hard. The global economy is the largest of these complicated systems.

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Yup, that’s right.

It a short-sided decision with negative externalities and consequences.

I’m so confused - more than ever - but doing my best to educate myself. Wild times.

I just hope that Trump's third term isn't as turbulent as this one

Sometimes a country just has to FAFO.

Weird how other countries still choose to use tariffs too against the US as well. Seems like the world would actually let free trade really happen.

From a historical perspective, politicians have always created more problems than solving them. Trump is playing his role and all the while people are gulping down his bull poop.

Great points. Cartels are gonna open their own bootleg apple stores down in TJ and Nuevo Laredo

I mean the apple devices will be real, but yeah, it’s grey market.

Apple already sold their quarterly numbers this week :-)

You're definitely right about latin america and electronics. When I lived in argentina, we'd put an order in with any American family or friends who were coming down to visit. One time it was for a Microsoft zune lol

Appreciate your perspective from living abroad. Tariffs are as stupid as fiat. As usual when considering everything it gets complicated. Rabble my wife and I like your thoughtfulness and attitude. Stay cool. 🫂

Personal anecdotes can be illuminating, but they can also totally miss the point.

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Uruguay and New Zealand markets are insignificant.

They have no chance of coercing manufacturers to invest preferentially in factories there, so free trade is optimal for the consumers, workers and bureaucratic tax-spenders alike.

The United States is not Uruguay, and China is not New Zealand.

They can (and in China's case, do) coerce manufacturers to invest preferentially in their economies, by using tariffs, or the threat of tariffs, to redirect investment flows.

The USA has been #2 largest economy behind China at #1 since 2014, so Trump has no real hope of extorting capital from Chinese investors.

But he can, and is, sucking capital out of smaller European nations with this gambit.

Athens and Thebes played this game against smaller polities (and usually won) in the 3rd c. BC. Tariff extortion works much better today with our much more alienable capital and labour.

Tariffs are a negative sum game, but it is pure copium to pretend it doesn't have winners.

And the "threat" of drugs can and will be used to contain and extort personal-use imports from Mexico and Canada. How naive are people? That's not a problem for LE, its a golden opportunity.

Personal anecdotes can be illuminating, but they can also totally miss the point.

Uruguay and New Zealand markets are insignificant.

They have no chance of coercing manufacturers to invest preferentially in factories there, so free trade is optimal for the consumers, workers and bureaucratic tax-spenders alike.

The United States is not Uruguay, and China is not New Zealand.

They can (and in China's case, do) coerce manufacturers to invest preferentially in their economies, by using tariffs, or the threat of tariffs, to redirect investment flows.

The USA has been #2 largest economy behind China at #1 since 2014, so Trump has no real hope of extorting capital from Chinese investors.

But he can, and is, sucking capital out of smaller European nations with this gambit.

Athens and Thebes played this game against smaller polities (and usually won) in the 3rd c. BC. Tariff extortion works much better today with our much more alienable capital and labour.

Tariffs are a negative sum game, but it is pure copium to pretend it doesn't have winners.

And the "threat" of drugs can and will be used to contain and extort personal-use imports from Mexico and Canada. How naive are people? That's not a problem for LE, its a golden opportunity.

Great insight and thanks for sharing. Aren’t most countries in the world using tariffs on the USA? Yeah it’s a pretty bad idea all around for everyone. Hopefully all countries can agree on not using tariffs. Ultimately it’s bitcoin that will benefit from all this FAFO’ery.

Quizás un poco de historia sobre cómo les fue a algunos países latinoamericanos cuando intentaron el modelo de Sustitución de Importaciones sería educativo. Quizás.

Perón

Like most mass media consumers

you still refuse to get the whole story. Here's the official chart with the existing tarrifs against the United States and the reciprocal which is intended to end the previous tarrifs. Most of the reciprocal are lower than what the other trading country has levied against us.

What part of reciprocal is difficult to understand?

Regarding Mexico and Canada those tarrifs are in direct relationship to the enforcement of fentanyl trafficking into the United States.

The tariffs charged to the USA column is complete bullshit though. They took the ratio of imports/exports with each country and used that as the basis. Trade deficits are not tariffs or "currency manipulation" or "trade barriers". Where's that fit into the whole story?

It fits very nicely. The products that we in the United States use are made over in other countries and we don't need them.

We no longer can afford to buy those products because they are competitively not the same manufactured products that we used to buy and make. The products we are buying are mostly disposable garbage that cannot be fixed.

It's all crap. We don't need those products. We will make what we need here. I work in the scrap industry and we have so much steel from garbage products that can not be repaired that the price of steel is going down! We have aluminum, copper, brass, stainless steel, lead, and we can make whatever we need!

All the jobs of manufacturing need to return to the United States. We don't need cheap, disposable junk.

Global trade has indeed helped most nations.

But the ones who have gotten extremely rich are the big corporations and China.

The world’s manufacturing capacity moved to China while local industries collapsed. Especially in America and the UK.

The reason it went on for so long is that the mega rich and their global corporations don’t care about nations or employment. They just get richer and richer while they push for one world government.

This brake on this system is radical, but needed. Ridiculous tariffs on capital goods indeed make no sense (your Uruguay example) but protecting your industry and your workers makes sense from an economic and national security standpoint.