the constant assumption LN users are going to be using a proxy or blinded paths,
when 99% are actually publishing bolt11 invoices with their nodes pubkey in them,
makes the constant onslaught from STN on this point extremely unconvincing.
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yea i dont understand what he is trying to prove
the argument on the monero side is not that its impossible to use bitcoin privately, its that it is difficult to do right and easy to make a mistake
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I've never been able to actually get a payment routed to my Zeus node using blinded paths.
but LN proxy works. if you fuck around guessing how much you need to budget for it .
appreciate the comment sir
Or that it's not by default, or that's it's not cost efficient i.e pay either more money or pay with time, or that "adding privacy" also "adds information" like taint
but in general yes bitcoin has privacy, but there's more to the picture
Zooko also makes a similar point, its better to reveal nothing.
adding layers leaks information when you peg in and out of the layer, even if transacting across the layer is totally private.
in both LN and Zcash
technical best practices could provide great privacy, but usability and adoption issues mean technical best practices are rarely the condition the user operates in.
the best case for practical LN privacy right now is that the barrier to running a node is dropping.
NOT this bullshit about "theres no proof you paid a pubkey"
if nodes are ephemeral and channel management isnt a headache, users can periodically move funds to different dead-end nodes. just burn the pubkey.
so if we have that
and new Monero users know about poisoned outputs until FCMP is done...
those are our tools for the next 5 years.
I don't "assume" anyone uses proxies
I recommend it, try to make it easier, and talk about its privacy advantages
But I don't assume anyone does it
also, even if you aren't using proxies, bolt11 invoices still reveal less information about the recipient than monero addresses
this is partly because the sender cannot detect whether or not you are using a proxy
pfft
please
you have no problem presenting LN receiver privacy as if the technical best-case scenario was the default
and you aggressively object and "whatabout monero" when its pointed out virtually nobody is receiving with the technical best-case because of UX
your entire FUD campaign is still just "LN will fix Bitcoin privacy and make Monero obsolete"
which I heard first in 2018.
still waiting....
> you have no problem presenting LN receiver privacy as if the technical best-case scenario was the default
I don't think I do that. I'm just saying LN offers better privacy tools than monero. I don't think most users care about that or use it that way. It's a bit like if yall claimed that jet skis are faster than full sized boats, and I replied, "No they aren't, look at the top speed of a standard boat, it's way higher." And then you reply "But most boat-users go slow on them." So? That has nothing to do with which one is faster. Most people don't care to use max speed and most people don't care to use max stealth. But if you are interested in that (which I recommend), the better option is LN.