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Evidence against reusing a monero wallet: “If you need perfect unlinkability of your receivables, the only solution remains to use a separate seed (separate Monero wallet).” source: https://docs.getmonero.org/public-address/subaddress/

Evidence against reusing a monero address: “To prevent the payer from linking your payouts together [you must] generate a new subaddress for each payout.” source: https://docs.getmonero.org/public-address/subaddress/

Evidence for running a monero node, not a phone wallet: “It's always advisable, especially for privacy-conscious users, to use a personal node when transacting on the network to achieve the highest rate of privacy.” source: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/

Evidence of difficulty of using monero on tor:

Hanshan 2w ago

So this is the point in the conversation where STN starts talking about problems with blockchain privacy,

but somehow makes it all about Monero.

i guess because the monero website talks about these problems?

and yea, transacting on an L2 solves some of those problems.

LN remains an beta-tested and largely ignored payment system and you don't know how it's going to play out.

for example.

in actually practice, since most users either have one big channel with an LSP

or are using phoenix or muun or something,

you don't have unlinkabiity of txs on LN EITHER.

GTFO with that bullshit

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Super Testnet 2w ago 💬 3

> STN starts talking about problems with bbllpckchain privacy, but somehow makes it all about Monero

These problems apply to other blockchain-based privacy systems too

The fact that other terrible systems also have these problems is no excuse for monero

Hanshan 2w ago

leave it.

transaction unlinkabiity is better using monero subaddresses with the monero gui wallet or whatever

than with Phoenix or muun or any sovereign node with just a channel or two

and that's #facts folks

Super Testnet 2w ago 💬 1

Then how come I can trace my xmr transactions to you but you can't trace your xmr transactions to me? I'll even use Phoenix if it helps you

Super Testnet 2w ago

Oops, I meant "your LN transactions to me"

Hanshan 2w ago 💬 1

are you drunk?

that isn't what we are talking about.

YOU'RE saying because there's a possible *active attack* on a monero user that could be executed by a sophisticated adversary that could result in them linking two subaddresses together (OMG),

users should always send from a new wallet by default.

(which is bullshit)

and as if most LN users transactions aren't trivially linked together by their custodian or the one or two LSPs they have a channel with...

now you want to talk about knowing where the money goes?

well ok I guess

but you haven't said anything about your first FUD yet.

Super Testnet 2w ago 💬 1

> which is bullshit

If "create an entirely new wallet for every tx" is bad advice then maybe submit a PR to withdraw that advice from the monero project's website

> most LN users transactions [are] trivially linked together by their custodian or the one or two LSPs they have a channel with

I acknowledge that most LN users are not using it in a privacy preserving way. Do you acknowledge that most monero users aren't?