It's actually kind of shocking how polarized my Twitter/X feed has become.

So many people who were technical developers, capital allocators, thoughtful geopolitical commentators, etc are now just outright tribalists.

-Some of them are direct anti-Palestinian. Not just anti-Hamas, but outright against Muslims existing in Israel.

-Some of them are direct anti-Jew. Not just anti-Zionist in the sense of being critical of the modern state of Israel and its border rights. But instead just like, actually anti-Jew.

I hate to see this. The truth is not necessarily in the middle (ie "moderation" may itself be wrong by assuming the middle is correct), but perhaps more concerningly, many people can't even steelman their opponent's view. In the best of worlds, you should be able to explain the most intelligent version of your opponent's view, and then deconstruct it by explaining how it's wrong.

I see little of that. Hardly anyone can do it. My feed is now mostly like 90 IQ tribalist stuff, even from 120 IQ people. It's sad to see. I rarely see anyone who can steelman the Palestinian case and then explain why Israel is right, or steelman the Israeli case and explain why the Palestinians are right.

I have my own personal views, first and foremost toward the civilian children, and secondarily toward land rights, but perhaps my biggest view thirdly is to criticize the sheer polarization that has occurred. Everyone is sure, but few can particularly explain the dilemma in detail in such way that acknowledges their smartest opponents views and then builds their own case against that. Almost everyone is instead polarized and tribal now.

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This rabbi does an incredible job of seeing both sides. Sad that more can't do it.

Theology in the Raw: S2 Ep1127: A Zionist Jewish Rabbi's Perspective on the War in Israel-Palestine: Rabbi Hanan Schlesinger

Episode webpage: https://audioboom.com/posts/8394967

Media file: https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/pdst.fm/e/audioboom.com/posts/8394967.mp3?modified=1699022466&sid=5091301&source=rss

X is more polarized than Ray-Bans

I love that you put the children first before land. I see it the same. If I lived there on either side of the border - I hope I would leave. It’s one thing to want to fight for what one sees as their property (to represent that view and not the crazier views popping up on each side), but it’s a different thing to sign one’s children up for it.

Of course I don’t think leaving Gaza is as simple done as said.

Military Industrial Complex bad

Even 90IQers can see it

I think violence simply brings out the worst in people. It did for me when a participant, and now it's piped to people's screens in real time with biases (unconsciously or not) filling in for missing context. Dave Grossman's written extensively on the psychology of violence and touches on some of these observer phenomena.

Imho It’s been that way since 2021. Unfortunately bitcoin twitter morphed into r/bitcoin. I’m hoping nostr is more akin to the old bitcointalk circa 2012.

General tension is increasing. If tension increases, the "annoyance threshold" of people decreases, and they get annoyed much more quickly, and from much less impulse. This results in more inefficient communication, and the loss of common sense in my opinion.

Israel is evil but i have to admit a simple fact - Palestinians are irrelevant - if every single one was killed it wouldn't be an issue in the sense that we kill brown people in places like Iraq and Afghanistan all the time and nobody cares. It only becomes an issue because in this case it is a Genocide and Sadistic Extermination targeting Children, whereas people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam died simply because nobody gave two shits about any of them.

So to me it's not about taking sides. on one hand Palestinian lives don't matter. and at the same time Israel is hell on Earth.

i can't take the side of Palestinians because i don't care about them and i can't take the side of Israelis because i refuse to side with literal Demons in human form.

i also don't believe in peaceful coexistence between them nor that it's OK to simply watch a Genocide and be like this is fine, especially when it's done with your own tax money.

Hitler's solution was to send Jews to Madagascar. My solution is to send them to Mars. Maybe we can get Elon on board with this.

My view is that killing people is bad. Apparently that pisses off both sides šŸ™„

how about filling wells with concrete or bulldozing homes or keeping children indefinitely in solitary confinement without charges - is that bad ?

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How are they good when lost in the quantum and terror?!

I don’t know

I don't feel that I know enough about what's going on to comment.

It seems to me like fear is again being used to manipulate human action. To put the plebs against the plebs when it seems like a select few are causing all the destruction.

I'd rather not engage in propogating fear.

I feel for both the Palestinian & Jewish plebs alike over there. It's not a conflict that either of them wanted or needed.

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heres a little helper, the jews are killing 1000s of kids like in video and destroying their homes and stealing their land because voices in their heads said they are justified and special to do so, they have it all written down in books, sing songs and go on and on about it, hint take a read of the talmud

only issue is reality is the jew would not be able to do what they are doing without american support, in fact most of them would be dead if it wasnt for american whites and the thanks they give american whites? well they have been covertly trying to genocide them too for a long long time

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the only thing that is certain is that there is no period in history in which Jews weren't causing problems while also pretending to be the victims and there is no sign of them slowing down

Jews are responsible for more deaths since the turn of the 20th century than the total number of Jews that was alive in that same period of time. Whether we're talking deaths at the hands of Jewish Communists or bombing of Dresden or Nuking of Japan or Bombing hospitals in Gaza - the Jews just don't know how to quit murdering

the big picture is it doesn't matter what happens to Israel or Palestine but something needs to be done about the Jews

i am a Jew by birth but i don't feel obligated to support Jewish insanity just because statistically Jews are all schizophrenics ...

its quite easy to see why hitler came to do what he did given their in your face genocide of palestinians and ongoing genocide of white people

given how many nukes israel has and the death grip jews have on the west i do not see an easy way out of this, if we dont support israel they will nuke us the 'samson option' and if we do support israel they will replace us aka the never ending revenge for titus, hitler and the 109 expulsions etc, actually the jew problem with palestinians and arabs and islam and christianity is revenge too

i am begining to think the only real solution is to kill them all, a big fuck you to their belief in g-d

killing all the jews would be like removing a cancerous tumor from the patient ... if that solves the problem great ! but usually removing the tumor doesn't cure the cancer.

even so removing the tumor can prolong the life of the patient and may be worth it even if the cancer is still terminal.

although we think of cancers as tumors they are actually caused by mutations which are themselves caused by viruses ( or vaccines ). the Jew biomass ( the 16 million Jews one earth today ) is just the final form manifestation of the virus that is the Talmud. converting the biomass into soap doesn't eradicate the virus.

hopefully the last 3 years have taught us that fighting viruses is a complicated matter and it's too easy to cause more harm than good with knee jerk reactions.

i have to add that removing the tumor in some cases can actually cause the cancer to spread faster ... for example if we nuke Israel the surviving Jews will spill into the west poisoning us further ...

we can all agree that Jews are a cancerous tumor killing humanity but what to do about it is not nearly as clear cut otherwise somebody would have done it already.

and no Hitler didn't do it. what Hitler did to the Jews is the same thing Americans did to the Japanese by putting them in internment camps. the Jews made up the rest like they always do.

i see Jews as something like a black hole slowly swallowing the universe. an inevitability like death. whether you are aware of it or not doesn't really change anything. still gonna die.

Jews aren't so much G-d's chosen people as his biggest mistake.

I was listening to Sam Harris explain on Triggernometry that Hamas are basically a jihadi death squad, and his antidote to this seemed to be to eradicate the world of them.

Im not sure if the irony was obvious to others or not, but it sure seemed like some topsy-turvey reasoning

"Please just tell us what flag to put up in bio and call it a day"

-Anxious luminaries of the Hollywood actor class

let's look at the track record - shall we ? islamic terrorism didn't exist before Israel was created and expelled Palestinians from their land in Nakba in 1948.

on other hand Jews were up to no good for the entire 6,000 years of their history. they were the Christ Killers then they were the Money Lenders then they were Communists then Central Bankers and now they are the Israelis ...

and so in a shocking twist of events the guys who systematically bomb hospitals turned out to the be assholes after 6,000 years of pretty much that same type of behavior all documented and glorified in their own holy books ...

You nailed it here Lyn.

The nearly blind conviction of, it seems, so many on both sides is wild to me as well.

I’m glad I deleted X. It’s much better here.

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"When people show you who they are, believe them" Maya Angelou

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The polarization is one of the goals. I've seen it over and over again, and it's spreading to more and more topics. There no room for any discussion or exploration of the middle. People are forced to take sides, not taking a side is not allowed. Very tiresome and frustrating.

That is what I see too. Intensely emotional tribalism. I can get myself drawn into it too if I'm not careful.

I also find people cannot separate their desires from their predictions.

We are all able to be pushed to some limit of our understanding where some basic 'hate' instinct kicks in. Some reach that point before others. We should all ask where does ours kick in and can we mitigate it. If that's you're thing of course.

Your message is resonating with a lot of people.

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The Great Reset works, devide and conquer. Make the people hate each other and you can do your thing. Always the same BS in history.

But still you go and read/post there every day. I'm sure you think this is all Elon's fault.

It’s disheartening when you realise that many smart people who wake up to and adopt one idea (Bitcoin) appear to be incapable of forming nuanced opinions on certain other subjects. I wonder how much time people have and are putting into Bitcoin. Have they even dug into the history that underpins why we needed Bitcoin in the first place, or are they interested in it just for the money?

They often have no capacity to discuss the merits and potential faults of their positions. They ignore their cognitive biases, and instead resort to regurgitating lines of propaganda they picked up along the way. As long as it lines up with their world view, that’s all that matters.

The funny thing is I used to be massively pro-Israel. Then I made friends and had discussions with Muslims who have been to Palestine and explained their experiences to me, and it very much changed my perspective. I started researching the topic more. It’s hard to have a fixed, unchanging opinion on anything when there is so much information to consider.

I was raised catholic, become atheist in my late teens through to my early 30s, and then I feel like, for the first time, I began to honestly examine the merits of other positions. What I am quite sure of is:

- Killing innocent people, especially kids, should never be acceptable or justifiable.

- Peace should always be the primary goal.

Criticism of Israel’s action is not antisemitism. The labelling of any criticism of zionists as antisemitism is incredibly dishonest. That kind of thing probably creates more anti semitism, ironically.

I hate no people based on their race. My current view is that it is those who rule over us who are our enemies, until proven otherwise. The rest of us are their victims. Victim consciousness is taught to people, it’s a mindset. It’s also not true, but it works great for controlling the minds of large groups of people.

Beyond this issue, it becomes clear who is capable of entertaining what could be seen as the craziest of ideas, without resorting to fallacious reasoning and emotional outbursts.

Is it the platform or the nature of online (de-humanized) discussion beyond a given scale?

In other words, are we fucked?

The follower class is real.

And they mass tribalise the Current Thing

This is expected behavior in Fourth Turning conflict.

Funny, on my X timeline the bitcoin maxis are the most extreme

Most people don't want to deep think about it. There's only 2 officially sanctioned views. Pro Israel or you're an antisemite & Anti Hamas or you're a terrorist sympathiser. The media won't give any in depth info about the situation either. Most people go along with the official narrative, the vocal minority just puke the opposite. Anything else and people think you're a conspiracy theorist.

I’m not intelligent enough to form a solid opinion/argument about this situation.

Nothing will last forever, so there’s a thing - you will (have to) make peace with your (worst) enemy.

While doing it with terrible terms if you are the weaker one. While knowing your stronger opponent will probably only use it like a ceasefire, to rest, to rearrange, to arm, to practice, to infiltrate.

Negotiating for the peace is the solution.

Why are you trying to make Twitter relevant?

Do you keep talking about your exes after the breakup?

Lyn, baby, get over Twitter. Move on. Go have some great sex.

I get on X and here for #bitcoin content. I have to skip past all the war porn on there. I need to update my ignore words.

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Agree. But this was expected. It was clear to me since the beginning that globalists wants you to take a side. Divide to rein type of mentality.

Twitter is totally insufferable. Everyone is gas-lit by psy-ops.

It’s crazy to watch the anti Jew hatred that is being spread unapologetically in public spaces. Thousands in the streets across the globe chanting ā€œgas the Jewsā€ holding signs that say clean the world with depictions of Jews in garbage cans.

Violence on college campuses… attacks on Jewish schools… Jews in their homes in America killed in bed

Just last week alone there was 2 cases of people driving up to Jewish day schools in Canada and shooting it up. WTF!! And then it happened in America that same week where a woman tried attacking a Black Hebrew Israelites building b/c she saw a Star of David āœ”ļø

The week before that a Jewish woman was killed in her bed in Detroit. That same week an elderly Jewish man was killed by a college professor who attacked him with a mega phone for standing at a pro Isreal rally . Then went the next day to teach at his university like he didn’t just f***cken kill someone WTF!!

That all happened in the past 2 weeks alone.

I take the stance that I don’t care about either of these factions or what their fight is over. They will continue to fight whether I care or not. You have a conqueror and the nearly conquered and nature will continue to play out until it reaches its natural conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be. Life isn’t fair šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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