Well, I agree that if you read it like a 5 year old then it's all really stupid.

But when I stopped reading like a 5 year old & started trying to unpack the language & the actual meaning in what is written a whole bunch of things began to make more sense.

And most of the religious cult disagrees with my assessment pretty heavily so no one is telling me what to think. My beliefs about what I have read are my own conclusions.

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Is it necessary to have beliefs?

Seems to me that if you don't have mental placeholders of some sort to connect things & build understanding then you're more likely to just be an empty vessel for whatever bullshit any scammer can dream up... 🤷‍♂

Don't you believe bitcoin is an important innovation? How does a person exist without believing things?

This is the issue. Whether 5 or 30 any other book has the same meaning. Willy Wonka reads the same at any age, but somehow you must give a lenient pass to the bible and search for meaning amongst the incest, genocide, and psychopathy of a described anthropomorphic mental midget. I’ve experienced something greater, unboxed… I will bet a full bitcoin that Jesus is never coming back… because it’s a fake fucking story. Humans have fucked up the idea of god. If you let go of it all, perhaps you will find what you long for.

When did I say anything about Jesus coming back? The only sense in which Jesus returns is in the patterns that play out over & over, or in the sense that Satoshi came to bring heaven to earth & give us the tool needed to set incentives right. But I am kinda getting the feeling that you're autistic or something & abstract patterns are something you have a hard time with.

If you have never read something out of your depth & come back to it later to discover a lot that you missed, then Idk what to tell you.

The Bible is one of the most difficult books ever, because of all of the abstractions confused by translation.

Dr Seus reads a lot different at 30 than it did at 5. Anything you read will change with your life experiences and understandings. nostr:npub1dw840cz87spfe2f4j86a2c0yc23y0l6exygh6fgwk9qxegegj7dqp4yrlv you honestly seem to be projecting a little. You can no more state as fact that Christianity is not the truth than Jeff can (not that he really has) state as fact that Christianity is the only way. I got no dog in as I don’t buy fully into any religion, but lack of evidence for a thing is not immediately evidence that it doesn’t exist.

I also don't really buy that it's the only way, I am just pretty certain there is a lot more to it than I originally thought.

So by that rationale, cat in the hat exists? I also do not have a dog in the fight. Isn’t faith what one is left with when we abandon the search for evidence? Christians more than any other religious folk’s I’ve met tend to take the most liberties with what something “means” or the intentions of characters in the story. To be clear, I hope I am projecting that Jesus didn’t exist, because outside of the bible there is no historical record. Now when you read genesis and Old Testament, there is complete genealogy, and plenty of known historians for that period and region… none corroborate any existence. Zero, so totally happy to suppose this. If it hasn’t been considered by some that the existence is fiction and borrowed from characters in other stories which predate Christianity, it should be considered and please provide receipts.

That can really be said of any and all religions and creation myths though.

Great point. This actually sends one down the, before the written word, part of human history where information needed to be remembered to be passed down. Stories are a great vehicle. Fundamentalists take the stories literally, and others take liberties with the meaning of those stories. Science started out as an excellent vehicle for testing ideas, but somehow its been turned into a religion.

Agree. I believe the difficulty lies in the authenticity, then the translations, in that order. There are so many conflicts that make no sense. So much so that it nullifies its own necessity. We should start a new clean thread. Id love to explore some questions with you. I have many.