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What are people's thoughts on how much liquidity one currently needs to set up a truly profitable #Lightning node from scratch? (without sugarcoating it)

What yield can one expect realistically?

Any resources would be highly appreciated!

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kheAI | Mind Sovereign = Knowledge + Health + Equity 2mo ago

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Tuvok 2mo ago

you would need a high 2 figure million sats liquidity

and it should be in clearnet

you can expect 2% to 3% yield per year

Filou 2mo ago

I think if you are intending to run a public lightning node and hope to earn a consistent yield you would need to be able to devote at least 100m sats outbound liquidity and attract (or purchase) a similar amount of inbound liquidity. You could would be to have a minimum of 20-25 larger sized channels of 5-20m sats each.

The Conscious Contrarian 2mo ago

Thank you both nostr:nprofile1qqsq2adlq0pxrsv4pqy5mmefe22r5k43frz0wmphnzj9hwc3v23ts7gpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz8thwden5te0dehhxarj94ex2mrp0yh8wmrkwvh8xurpvdjj767tkk0 nostr:nprofile1qqsqr59ml9fhau0aph0czh6pcxykww8k5ws0vq84r3uzklvgjyfs6nqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3jamnwvaz7tmvv9hxwtnjv4kxz7tn9ekxzmny9ajhx78shvc . What tools do you use to manage liquidity across channels?

Tuvok 2mo ago

LNDg for managing

thunderhub for payments

RTL for opening and closing channels

Filou 2mo ago

+1 for LNDg. That is the single piece of software I could never run my node without!! LNDg and nostr:nprofile1qqsrf5h4ya83jk8u6t9jgc76h6kalz3plp9vusjpm2ygqgalqhxgp9gpzemhxue69uhkzarvv9ejumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqg4waehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvsn0qlzs is all I need ⚡️

The Conscious Contrarian 2mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qqsq2adlq0pxrsv4pqy5mmefe22r5k43frz0wmphnzj9hwc3v23ts7gpz3mhxue69uhkummnw3e8yetvv9ujucm0d5q35amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7t9wghxv6tpw34xze3wvdhk6tc4lm7df nostr:nprofile1qqsqr59ml9fhau0aph0czh6pcxykww8k5ws0vq84r3uzklvgjyfs6nqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wghxyctwvsufvvyv Can you explain where the discrepancy comes from

in terms of how much outbound liquidity you both think I need?

Filou 2mo ago

High 2-figure or low 3-figure is not so different really. It’s all subjective and not to say that you can’t be profitable with less liquidity. But in general terms, the more liquidity you have available and more well-connected channels your node has the better you will be able to move sats where they need to be and route more payments.

The Conscious Contrarian 2mo ago

Thanks for the responses so far!

Any thoughts on how Lightning Terminal stacks up vs ThunderHub and RTL?

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Moritz 1mo ago

The best routing nodes are profitable but there are also plenty that do it to help the network grow.

It is really hard to say something about liquidity and profitability because it very much depends on your focus as a node. For instance: If you become a default LSP selling channels in LSP, you'll have a constant demand of people buying channels from you. But there are also other strategies.

The Conscious Contrarian 1mo ago

Interesting. Thank you! Curious what some of the strategies are that you have found to be the simplest for building a profitable routing note from

scratch!