So there's this progression. First you see something like Cashu when you say, "Oh, it's a custodial lightning wallet with better privacy for users and no accounts." And then you realize, "Oh, I can use this to pay someone who is offline. I just send them a string and that’s the ecash note.” And then you realize, "Oh, this works over long range radio with very low bandwidth. And then you realize, oh, if we trust the same mint, we can actually use it to route lightning payments without open channels to the mint (the channel is the trust). And we can use it as a lightning wallet for ourselves. And then you can say, oh, we can create these community mints for “islands” that are not connected to the internet.

And then you realize, "Oh, there can be more than one Uncle Jim, and we don't have to trust this one person. We can have shared custody, and this thing has better privacy." And suddenly you realize you are were not expecting anything like this at all when you first saw it, when it began. It has completely different implications than what I was expecting previously.

It's the same with Nostr. It's like, "Oh, this is not a very good protocol. It depends on a few relays and you can’t even store images on it and who would use it." And it's cumbersome. Now there are blogging platforms and communities and marketplaces and AI communicating over it. And there's this innovation that no one was expecting when they first started. It was like thinking about the protocol and trying to judge it by its design, but its use (and implications) is discovered, not designed. Same way you can send a calendar invite over email, or do encrypted group chats over it (DeltaChat).

It’s interesting to see, how we use technologies that in theory should not have worked, but in practice, they do. Bitcoin is one of them. The probability of its success was very low.

A friend of mine said in a podcast with me that Bitcoin’s risk adjusted value is actually better than a decade ago. Yes, you could have bought cheap Bitcoin. But its success back then was very improbable. Now you are buying the asset of the parallel financial system, back then, it was a membership card in a club of geeks. After several that have failed…

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Yes, just ran nutshell in a nix shell and sent myself some ecash. oooh sooo smoooothhh.

Once, we (as I need help) get nutshell into a nixos module then I will deploy it as a service on Sovran_SystemsOS!

I love reading this. There is an open PR to modify nutshell but it slowed down. Maybe you can help to rekindle the efforts? 🙏

Fedi and Cashu seem promising.. Only just started reading/learning about them. Do you know if either or both can account in millisats?

Nanosats baby

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ecash is this special kind of magic.

These posts are exactly why I'm roaming around. I know very little, just as any normie, but people like you give out understandable pieces of possibilities. Have my sats.

First time coming across your notes - one of the best explanations I’ve yet heard about this! Thanks for shedding more light on this tech 🙏

This is excellent.

it's amazing what people can do on top of simple designs, vs. what they can't do on top of more "elegant", complex designs.

it's amazing what people can do on top of simple designs, vs. what they can't do on top of more "elegant", complex designs.

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Buen punto 👍

💯 went through this exact thought process 🔥

It’s interesting to see, how we use technologies that in theory should not have worked, but in practice, they do. Bitcoin is one of them. The probability of its success was very low.

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How does this not begin with a spoiler alert? 🤣

What do you think is the ideal community that uses a Cashu mint? Trying to think of the ideal level of trust involved. How many people would that be? Any example communities that would most benefit?

Same applies to covenants

Open protocols have the most positive unknown unknowns

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this was very helpful even as someone who was already bullish on Cashu, thank you 👍🏻

tnx

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And then you realise, „Oh, Cashu ecash is the infrastructure of the banks of the future in a hyper bitcoinised world.“

And then you realise, „Oh, they don’t actually have to back their ecash with Bitcoin and can print as much ecash as they want.“

And then you realise, „Fuck, we are back at fractional reserve banking.“