Random out loud thinking...

Do you think that there is a correlation between the rate of military service and the level of standards (in everything, work, cleanliness, etc.) in a country?

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Japan might have some of the highest standards in service, work and cleanliness, but not a significant level of military service participation. But, it could also be an outlier. 🤔

I remember the Japanese cleaning the stadium after a football game. I thought it was incredible and polite.

Japanese schools teach their students to clean up after themselves because keeping the classroom clean is a form of respect for the teacher. One could argue that particular tradition took root when Imperial Japan underwent militarization across the empire.🤔

I don’t think this was in practice pre-ww2 but I could be wrong. I would guess it’s more based on religion than anything else.

it was definitely in practice pre-ww2. The schools my grandparents attended are still around (Taiwan), still same traditions 🥳

I looked it up, that style school system was established by the Meiji (1868) government modeling European (German/Austrian?) school systems -- to bring Japan into the modern era and establish their empire

So it has nothing to do with militarization

depends how one looks at it, handing over education to the state (emperor in this case) probably a pre-requisite to undergo militarization -- the islands of Japan were never capable to raise national armies before.

Like part of a skill tree to unlock to raise an army across an empire.

cleaning up is respect 4 oneself also/no?

Nah, by that logic cities near military bases should be cleaner than the rest 🤨 pretty sure that's not true

Very good point.

I think it's pride. There is none. Ask anyone what they're proud of. You'll get word salad most of the time.

i think that freedom is what makes that result

people who are more secure in their property take better care of it

cases clearly in point: germany, texas, japan

Nope.

It's a cultural thing, nothing to do with military rates.

Why did you think so? Switzerland? Israel?

I'd been reading a book about feudal Japan (Shogun, highly recommend) and for whatever reason I was thinking about the early post-war years when the US seemed to be fairly cohesive and well organized (at least comparatively).

I didn't have any conviction in that statement, it was just a curious musing.

I think it’s more of a historic or even religious footprint that can explain some present behaviours.