managed to block the gay porn spam on the damus relay for now... I will keep on top of it.

we don't have a policy against gay porn in general, but if you spam peoples threads and notifications with it you will be blocked.

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You had to clear that up with gay porn being absolutely normal lmao

I got a gay porn reply saying “sign up to nostr.land to block me.” Is nostr.land extorting people with gay porn spam, or is someone trying to defame nostr.land?

"managed to block the gay porn... for now... I will keep on top of it."

I laughed.

i think an anti-spam policy in general is good.

yeah

i remember the days of nigerian princes

the ReplyGuy seems kind of nice now

If you don’t like it switch to knots.

why not fight spam with prove of work?

doesn’t work. spammers are better at PoW then phones. also wastes battery

the best solution is likely at the relay layer

Yes. Relays just need to run a plugin which hits an API to score the images.

nah they really don't.

smart clients, dumb relays.

good luck with that on client side only.

no centralized APIs though as it needs to be a protocol level

Dumb protocol, smart policy

I like that but how do we keep censorship decentralized like SMTP?

You mean *unlike* SMTP? Signatures and relay hints

SMTP works at scale but is not sufficiently decentralized. nostr doesnt need all the header stuff just dynamic relay reputation

hopefully one day way can free from dns and own protocols OSI layer 5-7

big tech inbox relays got too powerful

please don't repeat my generation's system design mistakes #IETF

Easy, same way the experimental feature in element / adblocks do it. You create block lists people can subscribe to in their client regardless of which relay. Both blacklist and whitelist modes. That way people can tailor the experience tp their liking using lists they trust. If a list gets overly censorious you just replace it.

it is very easy to automate the provision on new npubs to spam with so I don't see how blacklists at that level would work at scale

whitelists would work but be suboptimal imho

Blocklists and web of trust will never work. Image scanning works but for some reason nobody wants to do this.

If there is a standard list thats one step to automating them with automatic scraping.

Wish I had time to make and manage a relay that blocks all porn.

Thanks for everything including this

Didn’t know this was a thing happening 👀 🤯

1) Gay porn is totally OK

2) For the 100th time, I am telling you that trying to block explicit images by messing in complicated ways with your relays is never going to fucking work.

3) The only way to block explicit images to to SCAN THE IMAGES using the same image-recognition techniques that Google/Facebook/Whatever have been using now for 15+ years

4) I have developed a system that will do this for Nostr, which I am currently offering for the reasonable price of FREE for ANYONE who wants to implement it into their Nostr app: https://docs.megalithic.me/lightning-services/nsfw-image-detection-for-nostr

5) You are also free to copy my technique and do it yourself if you have some GPUs and are handy with machine learning inference

perfect is the enemy of good. everything has tradeoffs. we will of course use client side content detection as long as it doesn't impact performance or battery too much

Porn spam, gay of not, in the comments of unrelated notes isn't ok, give your head a shake.

Nostr feels much better after removing the damus relay.

Stay on top!

Internet censorship in a decentralized platform /s

relays are allowed to censor all they want. you get censorship resistance by connecting to multiple relays.

connect to a relay that allows gay porn spam in threads if you want that.

nah nah nah you should totes ban porn in general

you the best … how are you doing on the child porn? can we get these ppl in a private prison somewhere? thanx, xoxo 💋

its really something the image hosts need to be on top of, if there’s anything we can do to help we will.