I've had a bit more thinking on Russia and NATO powers. Clearly I'm just a hobbyist, not a military strategist, so I'm slow on the uptake on these things. But when I finally realize something or change my thinking (whether it is correct or not) I like to post it on nostr.

First, a quote from the book "Prisoners of Geography" by Tim Marshall: "Vladimir Putin says he is a religous man, a great supporter or the Russian Orthodox Church. If so, he may well go to bed each night, say his prayers and ask God: "Why didn't you put some mountains in Ukraine?" If God had built mountains in Ukraine, then the great expanse of flatland that is the North European Plain would not be such encouraging territory from which to attack Russia repeatedly. As it is, Putin has no choice: he must at least attempt to control the flatlands to the west. So it is with all nations, big or small. The landscape imprisons their leaders, giving them fewer choices and less room to manoeuvre than you might think."

Second, Barack Obama said that because Ukraine is a core Russian interest, but not a core American interest (America would not be defeated via Ukraine), then Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. "The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do. There are ways to deter, but it requires you to be very clear ahead of time about what is worth going to war for and what is not. Now, if there is somebody in this town that would claim that we would consider going to war with Russia over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, they should speak up and be very clear about it. The idea that talking tough or engaging in some military action that is tangential to that particular area is somehow going to influence the decision making of Russia or China is contrary to all the evidence we have seen over the last 50 years."

To be clear, America is not at war with Russia. It is supplying Ukraine, but the US remains out of the war. But what Barack was saying is that Russia will escalate because Ukraine matters more to them than to us.

If you assume American military leadership is logical and reasonable (which I think Putin does) then they would never have stepped in to back Ukraine in the first place unless they planned to "go all the way". And this is why Putin takes every Western threat of escalation very seriously. This is why he is now reading his troops to be trained on tactical nukes. If he didn't, he would be derelict in his duties to defend Russia from a threat that must be (logically reasoning thing out) intent on toppling Russia.

So I think America intended to topple Russia, and believed Navalny was one strategy, bombing the Nord Stream was another, sanctions was another, confiscating central bank assets was another, getting the world to back the West by luring Russia to strike first was another, and supplying Ukraine with superior weapons systems was yet another, and with all of that combined with their various covert CIA activities, surely they had a very good chance. But alas, those strategies all failed. And then China decided to backstop Russia.

Ukraine now has long-range ATACMS and successfully strikes military assets far into Russian occupied Ukraine including Crimea, including military bases, military training (over 100 dead nearly instantly) and a civilian oil refinery. This won't turn the tide of the war, but it has caused the war to escalate, as Russia now sends in far more drones seeking artillery, abrams tanks (they just got another) and those ATACMS systems.

As troops in Ukraine are running low, and the West is not ready to concede, they are threatening moving forces in. Russia's response was to train for the usage of tactical nukes. I don't think he is bluffing. I think NATO forces present a very credible threat of an attempt to collapse Russia, and Russia cannot win against NATO forces without resorting to tactical nukes.

So I think the Western forces backing Ukraine (NATO, France, US, UK) at some point will stop talking tough and concede. Because most of their plans already failed. I think there is a limit to how much war they are willing to get involved in... they want a lot, but not quite nukes.

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100%.

There was a bit of a bandwagon effect happening when going in, but seems to be an ugly coordination problem in getting out (with nothing to show investors).

Sunk cost fallacy, groupthink and cocaine, or just "other people's money"?

Its an excuse to fleece america's wealth for the benefit of industrial military contractors. There is no other motivation.

Great post!

This is a great theory. It does a great job explaining Russia’s motivation and their point of view. It discounts the US point of view though.

Do you remember the solar winds hack? Remember all the critical infrastructure that Russia has been probing and even the gas pipeline they hit with ransomware? They invested a lot of resources into their troll factories to sway public opinion in the west to whatever suits their needs. They are clearly hostile to the West and at some point a hot war was inevitable.

Yes Russia and the US have been in a cold war since around 2008. Both sides are involved in cyberwarfare. The US news media isn't intrested in stories about Russia getting hacked.

Also, I'm not taking sides. I'm looking for parsimonious explanation of all the facts. So I take in your datapoint. It doesn't make sense though that NATO would court Ukraine's membership in order to retaliate for the Solar Winds attack.

Not only does congress benefit by providing inflation dollars to their military industry lobbyists, but the future of the petro-dollar depends on Russia failing in its competition to provide energy to the eastern hemisphere.

The opening of nordstream was almost literally a shot over the bow from russia, by eliminating germany's need for america's liquified natural gas oceanliners.

https://youtu.be/7uoXrLxNCLw

as a multi-ethnic ( 25% Russian, 25% Ukrainian ) individual born in Kiev my opinion is that it's not about geography but the simple fact that Ukraine, just like Putin said, *IS* Russia.

or rather Russia is Ukraine. the oldest Russian city is actually Kiev, which celebrated 1,500 years when i lived there, whereas Moscow isn't even 1,000 years old.

war between Russia and Ukraine is a civil war like between North and South in American history.

Putin-fags say Ukraine is not a country. actually it is Russia that is not a country. it is even called "Federation" because even the stupidest of Russians understand that Chechens aren't Russian.

Simply put Ukrainians are more Russian than a large portion of citizens of the Russian Federation.

US / NATO interfered in the politics of both Russia itself and Ukraine but was actually successful in Ukraine by dangling EU membership in front of impoverished Ukrainians who saw it as a lifeline.

Putin rightly saw this as US / NATO biting off a part of Russia and having already failed to control Ukraine through installing puppet leaders had no choice other than to invade.

Putin was also pretty clear in interview with Tucker that the reason for invasion he gave to his citizens ( defending against NATO ) was bullshit. he asked Tucker " are we here to have a serious conversation or a show ? " Obviously Putin couldn't plainly state that he lied to his countrymen about the reason for the "operation" but to a thinking person it was pretty obvious that this is what he was in fact saying.

Putin then proceeded to explain the REAL reason was that Ukraine is Russia and he wasn't going to allow it to be split off. Same reason why Lincoln went to war with the South.

Of course tucker ( like you Mike ) couldn't understand this, because he was coming from the perspective of conservative propaganda about "biolabs" etc. and not from understanding of Russian history. which is why Putin had to give him an hour long lecture but Tucker thought it was some kind of a trick ... it wasn't.

so this isn't really about toppling Russia as much as about biting off a third of Russia, namely Ukraine.

of course Putin's history lecture was biased. the part about Russia and Ukraine being one was true. the lie was that Ukraine was a part of Russia when really Russia was a part of Ukraine.

Kiev to Moscow is like Rome or Athens to London, Berlin and Paris.

Kiev was the cradle of civilization and Moscow came later ... in fact Russians were so butthurt about how "provincial" ( using the words from Anna Karenina ) Moscow was that they had to build St. Petersburg to get away from that shame.

St. Petersburg was supposed to be the European Capital that Kiev was.

I have been to St. Petersburg - it's fancy - but the weather is shit. Weather in Kiev 100 times better.

at the beginning of the war i supported the west offering assistance to Ukraine as i thought Putin is power tripping and needs a reality check.

but with the human losses i think now ending the war should be the goal regardless of the terms of the peace.

ending the war doesn't mean ending military support to Ukraine but rather going back to negotiations while being willing to lose Eastern Ukraine territory.

ending military support without securing a peace deal would be the worst possible course of action.

we should give Ukraine all the support it needs BUT on the condition that they will move to sign a peace deal and end the war.

instead Ukraine still is unwilling to make any concessions and prefers to keep sending men to their deaths which will essentially extinct Ukrainians as a people ...

I will have to rewatch part of that interview. When Putin said "are we here to have a serious conversation or a show?" I took a different meaning from it, based on Tucker's question.

For my whole life I've thought of Ukraine as a part of Russia. My family history (ancient as it was) was out of Russian Ukraine... my family moved to Ukraine during Katherine the Great's reign, and left in 1910, and during that entire duration it was Russia. My Grandfather had to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to Nicholas II Emperor of all the Russias (he also had to swear he was not a polygamist). The fact that it was independent from 1991 to 2014 (23 years) seems to be the exception rather than the rule. And yes there was a lot of division between and shit between, outlawing languages, starvings, etc. BUT I don't take sides (I don't have a dog in the race). In principle I support the right of people to be independent if they want to, but as a practical matter I try to make sure the people trying to be independent know how tough that is and to be sure they think they can succeed (Palestinians included, who I have always advised to just leave and make a better life somewhere else).

Respect your thoughts and I am inclined to agree with your conclusion, that the west has little appetite for any direct confrontation. But what happens thereafter? This is not necessarily the end, and while we might hope for a peace, it's equally conceivable that our idiot leaders will make things worse.

Geography and history can tell us a lot about how these matters might unfold, but I am always cautious about making theories on complex issues. We neither understand the reliablility of what we think we know and don't know what we don't know.