Fading Nations is how people get pillaged, raped, and become conquered.
A nation is just a large tribe. A group of people with a shared race, values, customs, and language. Bad governance is not an argument against nations.
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Said better than I could’ve ⚡️
This “nation” is constantly being pillaged, raped, and conquered by its own government.
Bad governance is an oxymoron. Murder, theft, and kidnapping are features and not bugs.
Anyone that is not happy living in the US is welcome to leave. The fact that almost no one does and millions of people risk their lives to come here and millions more are waiting in line to come here legally tells you what you need to know. Not all nations can come out victorious in conflict, but only nations can.
How is it an oxymoron? Do families, clubs, companies not have governance?
Dood seems to be taking the edgy and bold takes too far into unpractical world 😅
Not at all. The entire concept of government is illogical and evil. No man has a right to your money or labor.
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Governments existed before fiat money and involuntary taxes. This is why no one takes libertarians seriously and why they are political losers
That’s a fallacy. Just because it existed for a long time, doesn’t mean it’s good or necessary lmao don’t be a cuck there is no winning in politics
How is pointing out a fact a fallacy? Who said government is good or necessary?
Feel free to argue me and not the straw man
Yeah ross being free is a total L
Moving the goalposts was the fallacy!
You changed the subject to be about libertarians being political losers and that government has existed before when I was talking about the illegitimate nature of government. Try to stay on topic.
Ross went to prison for what 14 years?
Who put him in prison? Who controls the prison? Who put the samourai team in prison? The root of the problem is the government. Ross is free now but why isn’t the samourai team free yet? And again why didn’t trump pardon him before?
Political bribery isn’t a good thing 😂
yes which is why the american contract left ZERO room for that AS LONG as the sheep remained vigilant in their DUTY.
taxes remain illegal and only applicable to "employees" of the federal government engaged in what is termed "trade or business" WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
which highlight the original delegated powers which were EXCLUSIVELY for dealing with foreign states and other international dealings....
the fact that your fathers and grandfathers chose potbellies, alcohol, and football over education, investment, civic duty and maintaining their LEGAL STATUS and the government's SUBSERVIENT role says more about your genetic heritage than it does the proper role of government.
It's not illogical to form a team to protect a people's interests.
While the Libertarian critique of the institution of the state does have some valid points when viewed through the materialistic lens of property rights, it does not account for game theory law of the jungle power dynamics posed by competing nations that have organized themselves into nation-states.
The difference is that the formation of teams to protect your interests is voluntary.
Well, maybe at first it is, but later as organization at the societial level plays out, and larger national "super tribes" are formed, it all depends on your view of how "voluntary" the exit costs are I suppose.
Actually a lot of people are leaving. The US has one of the highest rates of citizenship renunciation. “That should tell you all you need to know.”
People are not coming here for freedom or economic opportunity. People are coming here for handouts: food stamps, cheap housing, cheap or free healthcare. The same people are trying to get into Canada and the UK.
“If you don’t like it just leave” is a weak argument. Does the government own the land? Because that is what you are implying. This statement comes from brainwashed slaves not from free individuals.
Also, do you like everything the government does? If you don’t then you should also leave 🤷♂️
Families, clubs, and companies are voluntary. If I choose not to engage in business with Walmart, they won’t come knocking on my door with guns and throw me in a cage.
The initial conversation was about nations. I said bad governance is not an argument against nations. Don’t twist my words to try to make it seem like I’m defending bad governance. You claim that all governance is inherently evil, so I brought up examples that refute that.
Totally, everyone knows the millions of college graduates applying for visas and citizenship are really after food stamps.
Yes, people that refuse to be politically active and are dissatisfied with their nation should consider leaving. There’s nothing weak about that argument if you don’t conflate nations with governments.
No, probably unlike you, I know politics matters, so I will seek to effect change through politics before considering moving to a foreign nation.
I think you have a different definition of nation. Seems like you’re conflating nation with culture or society. A nation is an area ruled by a government body.
But I’m glad you keep investing time and energy into politics with no return. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
I defined a nation in my original response, but good you caught on to it now.
Yeah Ross is totally not free and the DOJ is still going after bitcoin developers.
Such a waste of a vote. Absolutely no return on the 10mins it took to vote. You got me there 👍🏼
Your understanding of the term nation is incorrect.
According to American Founder John Jay in Federalist 2, there are six elements for BEING American: shared ancestry, shared language, shared religion, similar conceptions of government and law, a shared culture, and a shared historical experience.
Sounds like America isn’t a nation
It isn't. It's a continent.
What? Whose lining up? Thought they were only sending the worst people?
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"listen, they're not sending us their best and brightest"
Hey if you don’t like then leave
nostr:npub1pzzrdngrnlufqazx3lfj07k0vfuya6ehfy8q5yv2h8c5e8fxgmxqhxdsr8 you’re right, voting doesn’t do anything. It definitely doesn’t free people from 2 life sentences in prison. 👍🏼
You got me, everyone knows there’s no demand for green cards
conquered by the lapse in civic and kinship duties by THE PEOPLE... who ARE(were, until they fucking act) "the government".