Making my point for me. If filling out a form is too much to ask to be given _free money_ then I don't even know what to say to you. But here are some ideas:
- If you're already getting all that you need done without the grant, then great! More money for other people who actually need it.
- If your use of time is so extraordinarily productive that any second you spend seeking funding is a actually counterproductive (because you have better odds of success if your time is spent on the work than on fundraising), then great! You'll be successful with your current path and more free money for other people!
- If you simply don't value the grant money enough to devote a few minutes to filling out a form, then great! You've made up your mind about opting out. More money for those who are interested.
- If you can't position your project in such a way that it reads as a good fit for the form, then perhaps this is the wrong venue for you. More money for those who are appropriate.
- If you are just too incompetent to fill out a basic application (yet are somehow able to build an impressive project...?), then the money is probably better spent on someone more competent.
- If you think free money and fundraising itself is a waste of time... Well then I wish you luck in the market of limited resources and high competition with your unique perspective.
This feels like a pretty exhaustive list to me... But I'm not you. Let me know what I missed that better explains your position.
What about option C - I don't trust anyone who asks me to fill out forms for grant money without approaching me directly first
They aren't venture capitalists trying to get a return on their money, they are attempting to give away gifts. Why would they spend their time and effort in hunting you down to give you a gift?
Especially when there are other people approaching them, putting in work, and asking for help?
The fact that I'm not currently asking for help does make a difference.
In the future, I will need help, and I will probably ask for it without filling out forms. I may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
lololol okay fine.
"I'll ask for help, and I may even do it by writing 'help me' in an 'new DM form', but I'm NOT doing it in a 'here is free money' form."
You are so stubbornly trying to hold onto a non-position that you've resorted to speaking nonsense. It's really come down to which method of communication you use to ask for help?
The whole point of the discussion has been which methods of communication people use to ask for help, I thought
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I'm truly flabbergasted by you.
What you are saying amounts to "I don't want anything to do with this, leave me out of it - don't approach me with your grants and I don't want to approach you with my application". Okay... so what are we discussing? If this system doesn't interest you, what are you talking about?
A decentralized system would interest me because I'd have more trust in the money going to good projects and less money going to Manchurian or toxic shit.
When I need money in the future, a decentralized decision making process might help me too, but I'm such a highly targeted individual that I'm not even sure if it's the feds targeting me or just most people I meet hating me on their own, so maybe not.
> I'd have more trust in the money going to good projects and less money going to Manchurian or toxic shit.
We're talking about money going to YOU. what does it matter where else the money goes? the money is literally leaving the bank account of an entity that you worry may be funding toxic shit - and instead funding YOU. that is a net win for you _and_ your preferences!
> but I'm such a highly targeted individual that I'm not even sure if it's the feds targeting me or just most people I meet hating me on their own, so maybe not.
This is entering into a branch of paranoia land that is mostly irrelevant to the question of how to best fund projects and whether or not "filling out a form" is a reasonable requirement to be given free money.
The money is not going to me & shouldn't be & probably won't be even when it should
Money should be going to the people building ngit (without them having to fill out any forms) & money will probably be going to them when better decisions are being made
Can you just plainly, simply explain why filling out a form is the lynchpin for you to whether or not the receipt of money is either okay or not okay?
No
Here's as plain and simple as I can make it for you: you're asking me to enter a lottery where I pay with time that's worth more than a lottery ticket and personal info that's also worth more than - guess what - this thing that they have at the store already any time I want one, a lottery ticket
You say someone has to be extremely productive for this to apply - I ask you to do the math on what returns anyone from a welfare recipient to a billionaire will get, spending an amount of time filling out forms for grants, and do the same math for them spending the equivalent amount of money they accrue in the same time, on lottery tickets
If you wouldn't suggest buying a lottery ticket, why would you suggest filling out the form?
You said "no" but that was actually extremely clear.
You feel that spending a few minutes and sharing a bit of personal information is not worth the expected payoff (where you think your odds are as good as the lottery). Okay, that makes sense.
And it's far clearer and to the point than a lot of the other concerns you brought up.
I think the conclusion is the same: If you think a system is an unwinnable lottery, don't play it. Nobody will blame you for that! a fair choice!
Still a bit confused about why you're wasting dozens of minutes preaching to the lottery company about how they should change their model, though... It's sorta like twitter/nostr - would you waste your time telling twitter they should be more like nostr? or would you prefer to just go invest in nostr? just ignore OpenSats and pay attention to other entities that work like you'd prefer.
Yeah I'm not sure about laeserin thinking she can convince opensats to change their model, I just like talking to all you people
I have little confidence that I can change their model or influence them in any manner, at all.
I just wanted to make it clear that there might be a better model, even if mine isn't it, and I wanted the others to know that they are not alone.
You see this? You see this?
I am not getting paid for this.
powered by the hate for toxic, lethargic, evil, pathetic, normal, fucking evil fucking G)RRRRRRRRRRRR satan
🙄 the Satan thing again. Almost had a discussion about a normal topic without you veering into the supernatural.
But it's some weird personality flaw of mine that sees you as overly influenced by religion, right? Okay.
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You're getting paid in attention.
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Thinking about it more, laeserin was getting at a better explanation from the start
It's about bias
If forms are the system, it's biased in favor of devs who will fill out forms
Those are devs who have time to check if the form seems worth filling out, devs who feel comfy giving the form whatever info it asks for
I think if you're trying to bias your pool of devs in favor of the best ones you probably don't want to filter out the ones you're filtering out there
Why do you want a system biased in favor of devs who have time and trust these forms?
Yes, the form itself is a sort of test. What is it testing for?
The word "conform" contains the word "form", after all.
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