Nostr Web Client

Nostr stores should support cashu payments sent in secure DMs. Buyer can reclaim the payment if seller doesn't reply.

Seller doesn't need a payment processing or e-commerce server, mobile phone is enough. Maybe the cheapest and easiest way to run a small online store.

Some sort of order management UI for buyer and seller on the client side would be nice.

Just thinking aloud, only tried Shopstr so far but should check out others as well (Amethyst?)

Pic kind of related, could be my dropshipping lifestyle store.

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jb55 8mo ago

Why? To accept it you need to instantly convert it to lightning anyway to make sure it’s “real”. At that point why not use lightning to begin with?

Neo ⚡️ 8mo ago

Because if lightning is sent it's final while cashu is not until redeemed by the seller 😀

jb55 8mo ago

So we’re re-adding visa-like chargeback liabilities to payments. Why would anyone want this

Sirius 8mo ago

Seller can claim it immediately when he sees and accepts the order, but buyer has some protection from ghosting. With cashu, any server (or even the buyer) does not need to be online at the time of purchase.

jb55 8mo ago

This seems to be the main benefit, offline payments.

47 8mo ago

+privacy benefits

Neo ⚡️ 8mo ago

Imagine you give your waiter a tip or gift someone else some sats via cashu as a present. If you see then after xyz time that they still have not redeedem your gift you can just take them back instead they getting lost/unused. Obviously as soons as they are accepted/reedem you can't get them back.

So I guess what nostr:npub1g53mukxnjkcmr94fhryzkqutdz2ukq4ks0gvy5af25rgmwsl4ngq43drvk was saying is e.g. I could send you know now 100k sats in cashu via DM and say please build xyz into damus. And if you don't want or ignore my request I could always get my sats back without having to ask for a refund.

jb55 8mo ago

so its explicitly designed to be doublespend + rugpull tech. makes sense. I guess that is technically a feature for the sender

The Daniel 🖖 8mo ago

None of this is great for adoption.

Neo ⚡️ 8mo ago

No, once you accept the payment it's yours. No way to get it back. But in the end thats not the main use cases for ecash. More about scalabiltiy and privacy imo.

jb55 8mo ago

I don’t see how it’s good for scalability and privacy where there are glaring payment finality issues when actually using this in practice for commerce.

iliketurtles 8mo ago

Coins made out of various metals with intrinsic value could work.

TKay 8mo ago

I don’t think this is a good argument.

The perfect recipe for rug pulls.

nobody 8mo ago

Isn’t supposed to be more private? I thought that was the thing.

Eric FJ 🪬⚡️ 8mo ago

Hey! Because it allows an asynchronous yet automatic checkout flow. Otherwise the merchant (or an agent controlling their nsec) needs to be present to generate a Lightning invoice and finalize the transaction. It’s a really cool part of the nostr:nprofile1qqsyda3mvuruue6fvl3nq2p39d8espqee26zppfs7u3sx8jd7ccrayqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcdxs706 spec that nostr:nprofile1qqsdxm5qs0a8kdk6aejxew9nlx074g7cnedrjeggws0sq03p4s9khmqpzemhxue69uhksctkv4hzucmpd3mxztnyv4mz7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctc8leskz is already using for Nostrized e-commerce. Yes it requires an extra step to get back to Lightning that seems redundant, and trust in an ecash mint, but it takes the burden off the merchant to run an ever-present server for automatic checkout.

Sirius 8mo ago

In traditional e-commerce (paid with lightning or credit card), checkout fails if any of these has even a temporary connection problem: buyer's personal device, buyer's lightning wallet / cc, seller's e-commerce server, seller's wallet / cc processing. Nostr & cashu can do it better.

calle 8mo ago 💬 5

You can think of one or many Cashu payments as a deferred Lightning payment. Especially useful for asynchronous transactions: A merchant can always accept ecash from any mint and, depending on their appetite, either swap out to mints they trust or to a non-custodial Lightning wallet when they come back online and need to process orders.

As a merchant, you can't get rugged if you never received the actual payment.

On the other hand, sellers can also define the mints they require a token to be from (Cashu payment requests contain this information). That way, the sender is expected to get ecash from a specific mint (typically using Lightning). These transactions are typically instant.

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vinney...axkl 8mo ago

this is very much explicitly what https://catallax.network is for!

on the "use cases" page I have some thoughts about shipping/ecommerce escrows which are slightly more involved than what you're saying, but a similar spirit.

#catallax will really shine when people deeply integrate cashu mints into the protocol flow

Oshi (推し) 8mo ago 💬 1

Casio, check

DawnOfFreedom 8mo ago

Best watch ever 🫶

Bobby 8mo ago

Can you provide example of advanced pleb kit? Asking for a friend…

David 8mo ago

The watch is unnecessary, sell it for more bitcoin

Shopstr Markets 8mo ago

"Maybe the cheapest and easiest way to run a small online store."

#YESTR

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zoomoutpls 8mo ago

isn't keychat close ?

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Keychat 8mo ago

We look forward to a future where digital goods like eSIMs, VPNs, and gift cards can be purchased with ecash sats and LN sats through mini apps on Keychat, with sellers automating payments and sending the goods via DM.

AU9913 8mo ago

I wish nostr:nprofile1qqsxfda5za00llhv8cfj48uazedc8hh6lzj3pz66uz7wh46uwv5z08qpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7ujd8nc had a market tab like there is a gallery tab for each profile

Sirius 8mo ago

I might add it for Iris

From the Dave 8mo ago

Said it before... how is this so damn accurate?

Carolyn 8mo ago

lol