Thanks for engaging, L0la. I appreciate the discussion, but I think there's a fundamental flaw in this framework.

You say they "assume authority over others", but I watched the journalist's videos. I saw a few small websites where racists meet each other in their corner. There was zero factual danger from these websites. I saw swastikas, extremist people expressing opinions - sure, abhorrent opinions - but just opinions. They weren't exercising authority over anyone. They were organizing among themselves.

For me, it seems the opposite - CCC (which is de facto an institution at this point) and these hackers are the ones assuming authority over others. They decided which groups deserve infrastructure and which don't. They exercised power to destroy spaces they disapprove of. That's assuming authority.

With the same logic, we could now attack "black-only" sites, or any nationalist sites, or any group organizing around identity. The principle "they're trying to assume authority" is so broad it justifies attacking almost anyone you disagree with.

Democracy itself is fundamentally about "assuming authority over others." That's what voting is - 51% assuming authority over the other 49%. If you're really against people assuming authority over others, it would be far more consistent to support sabotaging all democratic political parties, not just the ones you personally don't like.

The "paradox of tolerance" doesn't solve this. Everyone believes they're fighting intolerance. White supremacists think they're defending against forces trying to destroy them. This framework and theirs seems structurally identical - both claim the right to preemptively attack because the other side is "intolerant". But this is exactly how tribal conflicts escalate into endless cycles of retaliation.

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Untrue imo. These people arent „organizing amongst themselves“, they are organizing against other people - and thats the key difference.

I have no problem with white people who only want to date white people or black people who only want to date black people.

But there is a problem when that convulges with other people are inferior and need to be dominated because they do not share our beliefs/identity/etc.

Sorry, but you're basically saying it's legitimate to destroy infrastructure based on what people believe (that others are inferior), not what they do. This is pure ideology policing. Who decides when dating preferences "convulge with" beliefs about inferiority?

Many people think certain political ideologies inherently view others as inferior. Communists think capitalists view workers as inferior. Capitalists think communists view individualists as inferior. Religious people think atheists view believers as inferior. Bitcoin maximalists think shitcoiners as inferior. All of these groups "organize against other people". Does any of this justify hacking their infrastructure?

These websites weren't organizing attacks. They weren't planning violence (I really haven't seen any evidence). They were expressing abhorrent opinions in their own corner.

I think you havent watched the entire talk on the site‘s founder and the people who were on this app - who base their beliefs on eugenicism (if you dont know what that is, you may want to look that one up).

Equating this to shitcoiners, religion, etc is just nonsene, sorry.

And yes, i do think that communists hacking capitalists who exploit workers is a good thing, just as it is a good thing that capitalists hack communists who want to eliminate individual rights.

That’s not „ideology policing“ - it is supporting the freedom of taking direct action against something you dont believe in, which is a right everyone should have access to in a democracy.

> the freedom of taking direct action against something you dont believe in

If direct action means pointing it out, explaining it, cursing it, removing these people from your property... then I totally agree. Having a stupid opinion is also freedom. But this goes much further. This was an aggressive attack on someone else's infrastructure, a violation of the non-aggression principle. Basically, the exact behavior we want to fight against.

So I don't see the difference between this and what the NSDAP did in Weimar. If racists were banning Jews from going to their own shops, publicly criticizing them, then ok... But the problem started when they started aggressively using violence to impose this on others.

*blinks*

Ok then buddy

You're not one of us, Lola. Based on what you've said here, you have no morals. We're not anarchists to be criminals. Clearly you are.

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A dating site, strictly limited in its capacity, is simply people choosing who to date based on their own personal criteria. You say you support that. It doesnt appear that you do.

Here's a question you might want to answer: what's wrong with thinking others are inferior? When one asks this question, automatically it is assumed that they are sympathetic or defending those ideas, so I feel the need to point out that I am not doing that, I genuinely hold no love for white supremacy or any racial supremacy. But its a valid question to explore. What exactly is wrong with someone thinking they're better than others based on some immutable criteria? I can see how acting violently towards others is, but just thinking they're better, choosing who they associate with etc, what do you think is morally wrong with that?