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I really don't like it when preachers or teachers teach that Christians are still sinners. It's like, have you read the New Testament?

You are the will of God, His son or daughter.

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Contra 4mo ago 💬 14

This guy clearly never read past his shiny bookmark in his Bible. Saying Christians aren’t sinners anymore isn’t just bad theology, it’s straight-up heresy.

Paul literally calls himself the chief of sinners after becoming an apostle. John says if you claim to be without sin, you’re a liar and the truth isn’t in you (1 John 1:8). Romans 7 is Paul, already a Christian, groaning over his battle with sin.

The Reformers had a phrase for this: simul justus et peccator, at the same time righteous and sinner. We’re clothed in Christ’s righteousness, adopted as sons and daughters, yes. But until we’re glorified, we still sin every day and depend on grace every hour.

So no, you’re not just ‘the will of God, His son or daughter.’ You’re also a sinner who Christ bled for. Deny that, and you’re preaching a different gospel. And the New Testament has a word for that: anathema.

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Mr. Sat Stacker 4mo ago

Trying to be a better follower of christ and a harder btc maxi.

I fall short each day and am working to be better.

Contra 4mo ago

Amen. Me too

Lethal Lee 4mo ago

Amen to that!

One of biggest lies of Satan is “I’m a good person”

Kevin's Bacon 4mo ago

This speaks to the need for humility, for respect for your own uncertainty, even regarding things you thought you got right at times. Don't trust yourself to not sin. Verify. You'll find you still make mistakes, you still sin.

Kevin's Bacon 4mo ago

This is why a get really damn skeptical of people who try to subordinate logic to some arbitrary interpretation of scripture. I'm like no, asshole, be mindful of the logic. Be aware of your own lack of knowledge.

Contra 4mo ago

I get what you’re saying, and I agree that humility matters. We shouldn’t trust ourselves because we all mess up. But the point of Scripture isn’t to shut down logic, it’s to ground it. Without God’s Word, our reasoning drifts wherever we want it to go. Real humility is trusting the One who actually knows, not just our own guesses.

Kevin's Bacon 4mo ago

I don't trust my guesses. That's a ridiculous characterization of my stance and I'm tired of hearing it. I feel like a lot of Christians don't understand logic or have never taken the time to think it all through, and as someone who has always been rigorously intellectually honest, I can never see life the way they do. It's frankly pathetic the way that they think. It's not something I care for. So no I don't guess. I deduce, and I read the word of God written in the creation all around me. We were gifted reason, and I use it.

Contra 4mo ago

Creation reveals patterns, order, cause and effect ie. natural law. but without God’s revelation, we miss ultimate purpose. You can see the clock, but you’ll never truly know the clockmaker unless He tells you.

Faith doesn’t oppose reason, it completes it. Your intellect isn’t being limited; it’s being grounded in the One who actually built reality. That’s how reasoning stops being borrowed and starts being truly true.

Kevin's Bacon 4mo ago

I tried reading the Bible to understand my purpose. Although it added to my understanding of the universe and to my understanding of morality, it did not on its own teach me my purpose. I had to figure that out from many things. I think this conception of the utility of scripture is faulty as applies me.

Kevin's Bacon 4mo ago

And I was not saying anything in denial of scripture or using it to inform your understanding, I simply assert that you need logic to be able to interpret the thing correctly and verify you are not mistaken.

Contra 4mo ago

I appreciate this conversation.

Kevin's Bacon 4mo ago

Thanks, me too!

berean jones 4mo ago

Yes. Both are true since we live in the already not yet tension, where Christ is reigning but the kingdom has not yet been delivered back to God. Where we are redeemed from the penalty of sin, and find victory over the power of sin, but not yet removed from the presence of sin. Where the life of God in us is sinless but in tension with the flesh that is clearly still capable of sin.

Clustering verses around one or other of these polarities doesn't prove the point, it just highlights the polarity. There is a day when that tension will be removed. Meanwhile, we groan inwardly for it and continue to strive against sin.

God sees me sinless in Christ because He sees me outside of time, with the completed redemption already applied. It's as good as done for me to be eternally in his presence in the new creation. However, I'm not able to see from that perspective. I'm firmly bound within time, and therefore limited to the present moment where my struggle with sin is real. What to God is a momentary detail that's already been dealt with, is to me my present reality in which I struggle so that Christ may be formed in me.

With a little humility, these polarities become occasions to glorify God rather than strive over incomplete positions. Which I think is the point of Sola Dei Gloria.

Contra 4mo ago

I agree with you. My earlier response was intended primarily to correct a false theology (again from nostr:nprofile1qqsfepkhw5m6vwqvudc78fyxp0r7r7e2mwegyxl34rcu6n5vuq3ypjgpzemhxue69uhkyetkduhxummnw3erztnrdakj7qgmwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3exjcmgv4ejummjvuhsmknyvs ) that often arises in younger, immature, or heterodox circles where the distinction between Justification and Sanctification is blurred or misunderstood. While your description rightly frames the already/not yet tension of the redeemed life, many “churches” or teachings conflate our legal standing in Christ with our progressive holiness, leading to confusion about the believer’s position before God versus their present experiential reality.

I affirm: Justification is the declaration of righteousness before God, imputed through Christ and received by faith alone; Sanctification is the ongoing work of God in the believer, progressively conforming us to Christ’s image. These realities coexist in the believer’s life: we are perfect in Christ legally, yet imperfect in our daily walk, and both truths glorify God when rightly understood. 🫡🙏⚡️